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David Wagner
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11/30/2014 | 2:51:31 PM
Re: Innovative
@kstaron- I'm not so sure a "leap" of logic is necessary. I think our leaps are usually just looking at something from a new angle. Just stargiht asking the right questions. 

What it seems like you are describing to me is genius. That seems like a high bar. 

I think i'd settle for making the right decision when asked a question or asked to a task the vast majority of the time. That would beat the crap out of most humans. 

But I do think you're on to one thing-- a "leap" of logic implies being able to do a broad range of things. You can't leap if your are specialized. 
David Wagner
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11/30/2014 | 2:44:22 PM
Re: Replacing the Turing Test
@zerox203- Thanks. One thing that current robots remind me of is the old proverb where blind men touch an elephant and one touches the tail and sais, "Oh, a snake." And another touches the leg and says, "oh a tree." We've got robots that do a lot of single things well. One day someone is going to combine them into an elephant and we're going to be blown away.
David Wagner
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11/30/2014 | 2:40:32 PM
Re: Write an IW blog?
@tzubair- Writing a blog as good as mine are isn't much of a feat. But as good as the rest of the IWeek crew, that's an achievement. 

But here's the interesting part. We've got computers that can write in ways that look rather human. The hard part, I think, would be creating the computer that could gather the pertinent information and research first. i suspect Watson could be trained to fake it at this point with some specific topics. 

But you are right. I'd like to think good writing is one of the last places humans will triumph over computers.
tzubair
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11/30/2014 | 5:08:57 AM
Re: Intelligence versus judgments
". When ethics and judgments are factored in, the decision becomes even more complex."

@impactnow: I think what really makes a difference between human decision makking and a machine's, is the fact that human decisions are rarely rational. We may think we make rational decisions but mostly our rationality is heavily influenced by emotions and the state of mind we're in. Once the machines are able to have an emotional state of their own and take decisions that can factor in the emotional aspect, they might be considered intelligent enough.
tzubair
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11/30/2014 | 4:44:42 AM
Write an IW blog?
How about a computer that's capable of writing an IW blog that is as good as the one written by Dave Wagner and others? Would that be an easy feat to achieve? Assuming we have a computer who's capable of doing that, do we accept it to be intelligent enough?
kstaron
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11/26/2014 | 9:01:11 AM
Innovative

Interesting. To be smart, Riedl says, you must be creative and potentially "artistic" -- and that does seem to require more intelligence than a chat bot. But I'm not sure why,

The idea of artistic, if you replaced the wording choice with innovative it might be easier to understand. Being "artistic" is not the ability to render a painting exactly (as computers can already do), but it it is to see something in a new way or to represent something in a new way. It is the essence of art but also of invention and progress. An "artistic" mind (or computer) can make leaps of logic and understand the patterns to get to a new idea from two disjointed ones.

impactnow
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11/25/2014 | 12:38:02 PM
Intelligence versus judgments
Dave LOL, you're absolutely right intelligence is much deeper than programming can address today . Our definition of artificial intelligence today works great with binary decisions . However, since so many decisions are not binary nature artificial intelligence often fails . When ethics and judgments are factored in, the decision becomes even more complex. We may get there eventually but I don't think it's coming anytime soon . In the interim I loved your tests!
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11/25/2014 | 2:43:06 AM
Re: Replacing the Turing Test
We were talking about this during the Friday podcast (which people should check out of they want to get a little more color commentary on the geekend and other posts), and I was really looking forward to this post going up to see what people had to say about it. The bit about the computer making card tricks was particularly interesting to me, because I think it most closely meets that idea of improvisation. Even if it's a little thing (slightly adjusting the perameters on established cart tricks), those are the real building blocks of establishing that machine intelligence we're looking for, in my opinion, not the ability to  do things quickly or retain a lot of information, like Watson or Deep Blue.

I see what some of you are saying about the piecemeal approach of current 'smart' robots in that they only perform specialized tasks, but I think Dave is right on the money. Even if the people working on them don't necessarily know they're doing it, these are the precursors to greater things, and eventually these disparate technologies will reach a point of convergance. In truth, it may happen faster than we realize. We may wake up one day and think 'hey, when did all this happen?'. So, again, I think Dave is right -  we're better off taking these things seriously too soon rather too late. After all, 2018 is not as far away as it sounds.
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11/24/2014 | 1:56:03 PM
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The answer depends completely on definition of intelligience. I would call your two examples more like idiot savants: they know how to do one thing (or type of thing) extremely well, maybe better than us.

But intellegience is something I personally associate with creativity. That quality that led Albert Einstein to expand his basic mathematic/physics knowledge and formulate E=MC(squared). Or what allowed Led Zep to write Stairway to Heaven. When computers get to that point, then we are talking human-like.
David Wagner
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11/24/2014 | 1:35:39 PM
Re: Futurama
@TerryB- Are we light years away? Google claims they will be going into production in 2018 on a self-driving car. That seems like some sort of serious intelligence to me. Not necessarily human-like but intelligent. We've got machines in assembly lines making split second sophisticated decisions. All of this adds up to something. 

We're probably decades or more from making a Data-like robot that emulates human behavior in all ways. But we're getting to something fairly soon we might need to start calling intelligent aren't we?
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