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Li Tan
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Li Tan,
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1/7/2015 | 9:25:16 AM
Re: an average hiring process yields average results
I completely agree with you. Sometimes the manager just complains that the employee is not qualified to the position. But actually the problem lies with manager - either the wrong hiring decision was made and the guy was given an unsuitable job, or the manager is lack of essential management skill to explore the potential/competence of the employee.
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1/7/2015 | 12:44:45 AM
Re: an average hiring process yields average results
What happens if the problem isn't the new hire but rather is the management making the hire? I'm in this predicament now. My coworker just requested a transfer because him and my boss just don't see eye-to-eye. I know the problem lies with her. She's a micromanager and terrible communicator but I've learned how to work around these issues. I've been there only a year and this is the second person to transfer out of that position. Obviously she doesn't see herself as the problem and apparently upper-management doesn't either. Everyone else loves the guy - he has great technical skills. It's a shame to see him go. I guess my point is that sometimes it's not the new guy's fault, it's that the old guard needs a-changin.
mpochan156
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1/6/2015 | 10:01:39 PM
Re: re; Re: intense... wouldn't take the deal
Intense ? Sure. Rewarding ? Absolutely.  Fun ? You bet. Wild ride ?  woooooooooooo.

Everyone hired ( after the day we implemented it ) was on probation regardless of age, experience, skillset. Everyone also took a test. We the co-founders took tests too. 

Did some people not take the deal ?  Of course. And that meant they didn't fit our culture and intensity. 

Pennsylvania is a 'terminate-at-will' state, so that means probation is ok too. 
Brian.Dean
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1/6/2015 | 8:03:50 PM
Re: an average hiring process yields average results
I agree, if a solid foundation already exists in an organization then, a bad hire will cause damage but the team will manage to make the best out of a given situation.

Generally, I feel that the best teams are also the most welcoming and they try to accommodate a new comer.

 
Technocrati
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1/6/2015 | 7:15:41 PM
Re: re; Re: an average hiring process yields average results

@Mike    Sounds like you have a really intense environment.    Not sure I would take the deal.  Six months of probation ?    I think that probably should be on a case by case basis.  

Not sure that is legal though, but most companies tread that line anyhow.

Technocrati
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Technocrati,
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1/6/2015 | 7:12:05 PM
Re: an average hiring process yields average results

It seems to me that one of the questions to ask is why the hiring process so difficult ?   Are candidates not qualified ?  Or does HR really understand what they are looking for in the first place ?    It is probably a combination of many things of course, but this adverserial relationship is counter - productive at best.

 

It is HR's job to stop those at the gate who are obviously not a decent fit, it is easy to see ( at least for me ) whether someone will be a good fit in the environment during the interview.    

Often this important element of filling positions is badly missed by would be managers.

Technocrati
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Technocrati,
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1/6/2015 | 7:05:50 PM
Re: an average hiring process yields average results

This whole process of weeding out those that make a good fit really does take a lot of time.   Looking at this from a start-up perspective - I can see it taking at least two years to build a strong foundation of suitable colleagues.

Technocrati
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Technocrati,
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1/6/2015 | 7:03:11 PM
Re: an average hiring process yields average results

"...you have time to blow $50,000 on the mistake ? "

 

@ Mike       You make a number of great points, and I understand and support most of them, but I have seen many companies blow much more than that.

mpochan156
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1/6/2015 | 4:52:35 PM
re; Re: an average hiring process yields average results
months 1 - 3 were getting the person acclimated and evaluating their basic skils. Months 3 - 6 went into whether they could grasp the industry domain and be highly productive ,and they were assigned to a Customer.

Also we did Performance Reviews every 6 months ( compensation every 12 ) and our Results-Sharing program computed every 6 months ( Results, not Profits ... but that is a whole other story ) 

Mike
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Laurianne,
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1/6/2015 | 2:38:50 PM
Re: an average hiring process yields average results
6 months probation? I am curious if you see anything in months 4-6 that would not be clear in months 1-3. Thanks for the insight.
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