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akostadinov
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akostadinov,
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8/18/2015 | 10:50:33 AM
alternatives
chronyd anybody? (chrony.tuxfamily.org)

works better at least for some use cases...

Competition is good, otherwise things rot anyway.
kstaron
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kstaron,
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3/25/2015 | 3:52:11 PM
So the people using it aren't wiling to pay?
Can I guess that by the lack of this guy's wallet, that the companies who claim to care, like Google, have not stepped up and given the the guy funding to make sure the clock keeps ticking? If he has not yet, I would suggest he approach each of the companies that uses NTP and tell them it's in danger of being unsupported without financial backing. Wake up the guys who use it and let them know the free ride is about over.
Charlie Babcock
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Charlie Babcock,
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3/23/2015 | 11:51:33 PM
Has this issue kept you up late at night?
This may not be something you've worried about lately, but the 32-bit counter in the Network Time Protocol's time stamp is able to designate any second that's occurred since Jan.1, 1900. The only thing bad about covering such an expanse of time is that the counter runs out of numbers sometime in 2036. Like I said, maybe you haven't worried about it -- yet. Harlan Stenn is up late at night thinking about the solution... Better keep him on the case.
Charlie Babcock
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Charlie Babcock,
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3/18/2015 | 1:46:40 PM
Just a minute, Mr. Gigabob
Your answer is straightforward, Mr. Gigabob, except for the part about how we've had for years many companies with a vested interest in sychronizing time and they haven't done what you say should happen.
Mr. Gigabob
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Mr. Gigabob,
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3/18/2015 | 12:45:27 PM
Re: Is there really a problem?
The process is straightforward - an industry group with a vested interest steps in and enlists support from an eco-system by starting a "Time Committee" with contributions from those organizations in the form of team members and fiscal backing levels.  DLNA, USB, WiFi all started this way as a prelude to creating and adopting a standard.  The more groups the get behind supporting NTP - the more that will build in NTP into their systems.  

Ideally, increased investment in time synchronization for security, log management and other roles will add many paths to orbiting atomic clocks in GPS satellites to increase accuracy of NTP so it eclipses PTP - Precision Time Protocol (IEEE1588).

NTP and PTP approach the problem from different angles.  PTP uses hardware to provide a precise local clock with accuracy to 100ns and very little software sophistication.  NTP uses software and statistics to get time from local motherboards and other sources then distribute across a network.  Accuracy varies widely from micro-seconds to 10's of milliseconds, as distribution delays across shared network links are impacted by busy workloads.  Until there is a ubiquity of precision time sources available with known latency, we need both.

As an example of industry standard support - suppose members of the "TIME ASSOCIATION" included all the major home network router vendors.  Their support for NTP might include some local intelligence and a dedicated port channel for distributing time information that would have a prioritezed Quality of Service level enabling it to consistently provide microsecond accuracy in the home.  This would be advertised as a selling point and if embraced by users would prolieferate across the Customer Premises landscape.

Ironically we have access to precision time in to 100ns today.  Everyone with a GPS chip in their mobile phone leverages the GPS time in the orbiting satellites.  Perhaps it is time to codify that into a new standard.
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pzjones,
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3/18/2015 | 12:28:30 PM
Demonstrates change in motivation
I think this article clearly demonstrates what attracts people to IT now is not what drove many of us into IT 20+ years ago. It wasn't about the "job" or the "salary." It was about the love of this new technology, about being a pioneer in this industry, about collaboration, about conquering and innovating.

 It was nice that it came with a salary but that wasn't the driving force. I've seen many come because they thought they would make the big bucks but didn't have the heart or the passion and now they have gone...some stick around because "it's a job" and they don't want to go back to school. For those like Stenn, it is much more than that...it's in the blood. We need to figure out how to ignite that fire in the younger generation that has come to rely on technology without a desire to be part of it.
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Charlie Babcock,
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3/17/2015 | 2:07:46 PM
You're right, Cesium-133 is stable, not decomposing
mbperezpinilla, A second as measured by an atomic clock is "9,192,631,770 cycles of radiation" reflecting the transition in energy levels of the Caesium-133 atom, according to the International System of Units. I didn't realize radiation in this case doesn't mean (ouch) radioactive. I've always thought atomic cloicks were using a measure of radioactive decomposition as a precise time-keeper. Instead, it's vibrations of the stable Cesium-133 atom that's keeping the beat. It's Cesium-137, used in medical imaging, that's radioactive. Oh boy, time to brush up on my physics.

 

 
mbperezpinilla
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mbperezpinilla,
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3/17/2015 | 7:07:24 AM
Radioactive Cesium-133???
Cesium-133 is the only stable isotope of Cesium!
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vorlonken,
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3/16/2015 | 1:28:34 PM
Here's the proper solution
Author: "So, Mr Stenn, what will you do if huge companies like Google, Microsoft, IBM, Apple, Cisco, Intel, etc don't start contributing? They could each donate $10 million/year with the change culled from under the driver's seat of the CEO!" Stenn: (shrugs) That's how the article should end. I hope everyone out there got my very unsubtle reference.
Susan_Nunziata
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3/16/2015 | 7:48:06 AM
Re: Is there really a problem?
@Gigabob: Your comment caught my eye, especially this: creating a better vehicle to support critical open source protocols like NTP.

Having been thru a similar experience yourself, what would you say is required to create such a vehicle for NTP (and other critical open source projects).

 

 
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