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ThomasW840
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3/16/2015 | 1:44:10 AM
Re: Yes, some contribute, some don't
So why don't all the FOSS distro vednros band together and start a FOSS foundation, and allow the distro installer to donate to suport critical base apps & systems (and optionally along with other groups and efforts)?  Even give them 501 tax status and writeoffs! You KNOW their donations would get a bump every April. :)

 

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ThomasW840
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3/16/2015 | 1:41:34 AM
Why not centrlize critical app/protocol financial support at the distros?
Each GNU/Linux distro should have a post install "donate to FOSS" option that allows users of FOSS or Linux distros to donate to these critical, base apps and sysyems.  Very simple issue to solve here folks..

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3/15/2015 | 11:12:08 PM
Re: Yes, some contribute, some don't
Thanks a bunch, Charlie!

Slight clarification: Network Time Foundation is not "my" non-profit, I'm just the founder and president. it's there for public benefit.

There are "donate" and "join" links at www.nwtime.org and we do also accept PayPal.  We're looking at some other "ways to send money".

The feedback and support we've already seen is heartwarming, and it will currently cover about 2 more weeks of my time.  We've also heard from a few companies that have said "we saw the article and we're looking to help, we'll be in touch soon."

Network Time Foundation has no anonymous institutional or governmental supporters.  If you don't see their name on our site, they're not supporting us directly.  The reason Linux Foundation is not there is they insisted on sending their money directly to me and PHK, instead of to NTF.  I can appreciate their reasons.  Having said that, if you are using software or equipment that uses network time and you don't see that company listed, please contact them and ask them to support us!  They will listen to you more than they'll listen to us...
hstenn
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3/15/2015 | 10:39:30 PM
Re: If UTC stands for Coordinated Universal Time, then why TAI?
In English, TAI is "International Atomic Time".  In French it's "Temps Atomique International".

 

In English, UTC is "Coordinated Universal Time", while in French it's "Temps Universel Coordonné".  This way the French and English speakers are equally unhappy with the acronym.
Charlie Babcock
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3/15/2015 | 5:11:27 PM
If UTC stands for Coordinated Universal Time, then why TAI?
I have always wondered why Coordinated Universal Time is abbreviated UTC. There's a gem of an explanation below by Jeff_Logullo, who happens to be a pre-sales engineer for the Oracle's Public Sector Systems division. Can anyone confirm what he's saying? Jeff doesn't remember where he first heard the story.

Then, 2), can someone explain to me why TAI is used as the acronym for International Atomic Time? (Don't tell me it's the French, again--temps atomique international?)
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3/15/2015 | 11:59:20 AM
Free PTP implementation for Windows?
Last time I checked (sometime in 2014) there were no free implementations of PTP for Windows. This situation probably needs to change if we expect PTP to gradually replace NTP. Maybe Microsoft should include PTP support in Windows 10?
Li Tan
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3/14/2015 | 7:04:49 AM
Re: Is there really a problem?
Such kind of important open source protocol deserves more attention - it's so important that everybody took it for granted. Then it's a real trouble if one day it stops working.
Charlie Babcock
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3/13/2015 | 7:25:01 PM
Oops, Coverity is a hidden contributor
I've learned there are a few hidden contributors to NTP. For example, Stenn uses almost 100% open source code but I knew he liked to check his code against the Coverity's security and bug detecting software, a commercial service. So the first version of this story listed Coverity as a service he had to pay for from his slender resources. It turns out that Coverity contributes its service to NTP. Stenn has also used BitMover's BitKeeper, commercial software for source code management, which he likes better than open source git. "Because (CEO) Larry McVoy appreciates the NTP Project, they've freely given my entire team licenses to bk, and they've given us free enterprise-class service as well, for nearly '14 years' time,'" Stenn wrote in a follow-up message.
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3/13/2015 | 6:53:30 PM
UTC = Coordinated Universal Time
Great article - thanks for shedding light on the issue, especially that of the unsung heroes of the internet and the open source community!

One small comment: the abbreviation "UTC" stands for "Coordinated Universal Time". You might wonder how that acronym makes sense... seems it should be "CUT" instead.

We English speakers call it Coordinated Universal Time -- which would make the acronym CUT.

French speakers, however, call it Temps Universel Cordonné -- which would result in TUC.

What to do? Compromise! Instead of CUT or TUC, the alternative UTC was chosen. It plays no favorites! Strange but true.

The wikipedia entry for Coordinated Universal Time has more details, including a reference to the IAU resolution in 1976 when this decision was made.
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3/13/2015 | 2:12:21 PM
Is there really a problem?
As a prior Oregon developer who needed a real job I appreciate Stenn's dilemma.  I am less concerned about shipping Stenn a few bucks than creating a better vehicle to support critical open source protocols like NTP. 

Stenn really needs help i nunderstanding how to monetize his efforts.  I suggest a microcent per millisecond.

At the end of the day do you see a lack of industry support for this activity or a vicious fight for gatekeeper rights?
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