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Windows 10 Vs. Windows 8: 10 Differences
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jastroff
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3/20/2015 | 9:39:04 AM
Windows 10 - So what?
Either it's the presentation or the features, but none of this thrills. The feeling is that of the "knowledge worker"  still back there in the 1990s. Still a DOS-based product, perhaps MSFT needs to really reinvent the wheel and move away from DOS. Maybe not. Or at least get it to do something unique. 

Enterprises used to like these new releases. Then they became expensive and hard to integrate. And there are other ways to work now.
looknow12
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3/21/2015 | 5:31:51 AM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
Windows is not DOS based.  I used to share your argument back in the Windows 3.x days when IBM was competing with OS/2.  Since Windows XP DOS has been left behind and the argument is gone.

Microsoft is allowing free upgrades from the last two major versions, so cost is not an issue either. Migration os very easy, existing applications work great and install time much faster. 

There are a number of other features not mentioned here too.  Snapping Windows to any corner to get a 25% size is very convenient too.  Boot time is drastically improved as well if you're coming from Windows 7.  My pc boots in about 5-6 seconds from cold.
jastroff
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3/22/2015 | 7:35:48 PM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
CHKDSK!
SunitaT0
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3/21/2015 | 3:10:46 PM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
Windows 10 is going to be awesome, particularly because of the One effect. Somehow I see microsoft leading smart home systems through windows 10 (or higher, because of this One-connect) in 2 years time.
laredoflash
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3/30/2015 | 3:41:35 PM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
Yep, Windows 10 is catching up to Linux. Of course, when Windows 10 gets here, Linux will have moved on to bigger and better things.
laredoflash
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3/30/2015 | 3:41:38 PM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
Yep, Windows 10 is catching up to Linux. Of course, when Windows 10 gets here, Linux will have moved on to bigger and better things.
SunitaT0
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3/21/2015 | 3:14:51 PM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
I think Windows 10 has got more to offer than just "presentation". I too feel like windows is going to a path more graphically intensive for lower machines to handle. For e.g. Windows 8.1 x64 needs 2 gb of ram, most office computers have just that, or even lower.
jastroff
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3/22/2015 | 7:37:37 PM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
We can meet back here in 2 years and see if Windows 10 has taken over the world...
SachinEE
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3/23/2015 | 8:37:43 AM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
@jastroff: Don't get hyped up, it may have severe design flaws. And it won't take over the world just yet. What will take over the world though, is the newer features like One. Wow. That is a great feature.
TerryB
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3/25/2015 | 1:26:32 PM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
@jastroff, not really sure I know where you are coming from. Are you giving your opinion based on the consumer point of view, browsing content from home/mobile, or what is needed in future versions for us using Windows in our businesses? I don't have any idea what you actually do but, if you work for any type of manufacturing company like I do, things haven't changed all that much since the "90's".

I'm not sure when our global company will jump from Win 7 (we just got to that version in last 2-3 years from XP) but Win 10 certainly looks like a viable platform which will not be a training shock for thousands of employees.

I'm very confused what you think this "next big thing" is you are expecting from computers? 3D holographic displays like Tony Stark uses in Iron Man? I've read a lot of your posts, you're normally a very pragmatic person, and certainly not some Apple groupie. But I don't get source of your negative take on this article.

You are certainly correct about upgrade enthusiam waning in enterprises from old days. But that only because the business value you actually gain from the o/s itself gets less from each release. That's not a knock/bad thing, just means the features we need to run an enterprise (domain participation, networking, remote connectivity/support, etc) has reached point there is not much more to add. So I agree we will run Win 7 for quite sometime, probably until MS decides to wrap up patching/support. There is very little MS can do to affect that upgrade to happen sooner. But there is ZERO chance Apple/Linux world is going to do something to move us off Windows at any version.
ANON1248276995498
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3/28/2015 | 10:32:40 AM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
TerryB,

You brought up an interesting comment about your global company just making the jump from windows xp to win 7. I think there are 4 basic reasons why it takes so long for businesses (and perhaps consumers) to make the big jump:

Roll-out costs: the new OS may require hardware upgrades and may not be compatible with legacy software. This is huge because most people have the attitude, "why fix what is not broken?" or "why take the risk?" It's a shame that MS hasn't figured out a better way to abstract out your programs from core of Windows. Do you remember the DOS days? Most of your programs could care less whether your computer was running DOS 3.2, DOS 5, or DOS 6.6 because programs in those days were all contained and relied on the files that were in their program folder. In fact, I remember how you could just copy a program folder to a floppy disk, take that floppy to another computer with the upgraded version of DOS, and run it from the floppy. It would be cool to Install an upgrade of Windows and not have to worry about which programs are now broken or have to be reinstalled.

Configuration costs: MS has done a pretty good job with upgrade solutions; however, some applications, hardware drivers, printer drivers, etc may still have to be reinstalled and reconfigured. It would be nice to just install the new OS and be up and running 20 minutes later. Unfortunately, I have found that problems, errors, and issues you may have had with the previous version, generally speaking, will be carried over into the upgrade. Experience has taught me that the best way to upgrade you PC is to reformat the hard drive and start with a fresh, new install of Windows. This means that you will have to reinstall all of your programs, and this is where some the true cost of the upgrade will manifest itself.

Training costs: Ugh! What happened to the Windows 8 tutorial? What a nightmare!

Support costs: Ugh! What happened to the Windows 8 tutorial?
ChrisK635
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8/4/2015 | 1:54:44 PM
Re: Windows 10 - So what?
The days of DOS where each application and all of its dependencies were self-contained in a single folder dedicated for that application was horrible. I am quite surprised you would even bring this up. It is simply not suitable in today's environments where different apps closely integrated with each other. No modern operating system handles apps the way DOS used to, and that is for extremely good reason. As for Windows 10, all of my hardware worked fine except for my printer which is pretty good. The manufacturer of that printer did not create any drivers beyond Windows 7.  I installed the Windows 7 driver under Windows 10 and it worked perfectly fine.

 
DDURBIN1
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3/22/2015 | 8:10:43 AM
Same old same old.
Seems many of these "improvements" where stated at the Win8 rollout and again way back at the Win7 rollout. Maybe Win10 will actually deliver them, MS also has a propensity to fix things that aren't broken so I'm wondering which features or functions they are going to screw up this time around.
nomii
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3/26/2015 | 8:28:59 AM
Re: Same old same old.
@DDURBIN1: I think MS has already hit the bottom with the last release and it is really difficult to go below the worst. So I am a little optimistic about the new release as windows 8 has given MS a considerable time and data to analyze and reassess the mistakes and come up with something better. You are right, they just have focus on touching the mistakes from the last release and try not to make any new.
Kelly22
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3/26/2015 | 11:19:28 AM
Re: Same old same old.
That's what I'm thinking. I'm also optimistic because Microsoft is relying heavily on user feedback in development. Not only will Windows 10 (hopefully) address the errors in Windows 8, but it will build on requests for fixes and features directly from Insiders.
nomii
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3/27/2015 | 7:05:18 AM
Re: Same old same old.
@Kelly22: yes from the recent updates it is clear that they are accommodating user feedbacks. People are talking about the IE replacement would be something similar to its predecessor but for me it hardly matters. Because if they can keep windows hearting beating, they can keep on trying to improve the browser otherwise they will lose the battle on both fronts.
ANON1248276995498
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3/28/2015 | 9:40:04 AM
Re: Same old same old.
Talk about hypocrisy! For me, Microsoft lost the web browser battle a long time ago. They want the same OS for all device, yet their own web browser is specific to only one operating system. Will I be able to install IE 12 (or whatever version it is that will come with Win 10) as an app for my IPhone or on my Android based tablet? Will it work on a PC with Win 7... or even Win 8? I doubt it. Google's Chrome fits the one browser for all devices model perfectly... the last I checked, it still works with 14-year old Windows XP.
ChrisK635
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8/4/2015 | 1:57:19 PM
Re: Same old same old.
Microsoft developed Windows 10 be a single common OS that runs on any Microsoft device such as Windows Phones, Surfaces, and Desktops.  It has absolutely nothing to do with iPhone or Android, nor was it ever intended to. You have completely misunderstood all of this.
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3/25/2015 | 9:37:00 AM
Still no tabs in Windows Explorer?
Something missing for a long time has been tabs in Windows Explorer.  I'm surprised to not see it included (yet) in Win10.  There are utilities to provide the facility but I'd greatly prefer a native version.
ChrisK635
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8/4/2015 | 2:00:50 PM
Re: Still no tabs in Windows Explorer?
That's not true. IE has had tabbed viewing for quite a awhile, and that certainly carried over to Windows 10 as well. It's natively right there in front of you. What version of IE are you using?
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10/28/2015 | 9:24:54 AM
Re: Still no tabs in Windows Explorer?
You're an idiot. If you don't know the difference between Windows Explorer (which actually DOESN'T have tabs) and Internet Explorer, then why would you bother posting something you know nothing about? Windows Explorer does not have tabs in Windows 10. IE does, but that's a completely different thing.
John Albertini
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3/25/2015 | 9:47:25 AM
W 10 vs W 8
Who cares?  No one uses Windows 8 do they, LOL?!
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3/25/2015 | 10:34:18 AM
Nice Ad!
It looks like bells and whistles to me, which might not be a bad thing.  8.1's fine once you get away from the tiles page, so 10 should be fine, also.  Will it spark a buying frenzy?  Probably not as much as MS hopes, unless MS moves up in the tablet (etc.) rankings.
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3/26/2015 | 8:21:29 AM
Re: Nice Ad!
@rjones2818: I don't think MS would be expecting it to be a hit straight away rather they will be more willing to have better words from their customer about their new release. If they can achieve a positive feedback, people will themselves come back to the platform and this will also give a boost to their tablet market.
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3/25/2015 | 10:41:48 PM
Yes, so what?
Windows 10 looks nice!

Does it improve productivity enough to justify the millions that are necessary to upgrade to the latest Microsoft work of art?  I think the value for the typical Corporation still looks very weak.

Ok, it's a free upgrade! I am thinking that may move the average consumer bent on having the latest wear on their desktop/laptop/phone, but will it be enough to move the corporate client?

I think not, but I am reading the tea leaves.

Pesonally, I will be (may be) dragged kicking and screaming into the new Microsoft eco-system for much the same reasons I have avoided the walled garden of Apple. It is all about the collection of personal information and the control of your escape from the walled garden.


Cheers.

 

 
ANON1248276995498
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3/26/2015 | 12:22:18 PM
One operating system to rule them all
One operating system for all your devices... one operating system to rule them all. This sounds like a bad spin off for the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Sure, I think most people would agree that having a consistent look and method for accessing device features is a good thing. But, is having the same operating system the best way to accomplish this? It cracks me up how this idea seems to be the lead in for most of the articles I read about Windows 8 and 10.

I think most of us have several different devices (desktops, laptops, tablets, cell phones, etc) and have different reasons for owning each of them. As much as I love my cell phone, it would not be my first choice of device to use to update a spreadsheet, type a 2 or more page report, edit a family portrait, or any other project that would better suited for a large screen, keyboard, and mouse.

Rather than coming up with one platform for all devices, I think Microsoft should cater to the strengths of each and then focus on an interface that will help emphasize them. I think Apple caught on this vision early on and recognized that people have different reasons for using their phone and desktops. Accessing programs, personal files, and settings is similar, yet they have two different operating systems. 
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3/27/2015 | 2:34:33 PM
Re: One operating system to rule them all
Because Mr. Gates insisted on one OS on all devices. Nobody dares to break the rule.
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3/27/2015 | 3:22:11 PM
Re: One operating system to rule them all
>> Because Mr. Gates insisted on one OS on all devices. Nobody dares to break the rule.

And it was ever thus
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9/21/2015 | 12:19:06 PM
Re: One operating system to rule them all
I look at all your comment good and bad, but the one thing no one has mentioned is the software agrement. in this agreement you give microsoft the right to collect data about you, about the apps you run and the way you use them and if that isn't enough you have also agreed to let micrsoft download updates to your computer with it asking any further permissions. it is not enough just to disable these in the setup, apart from the updates these are mandatory, look in fgedite.csm and see what other information they are also collecting. Also one drive is installed but it doesn't apeare on your system you now have to log into your microsoft account to see what's been uploaded and to download files.
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3/28/2015 | 3:31:07 PM
Re: One operating system to rule them all
I NEVER looked forward to a new version of Windows in the past. Somehow, the things I liked best about the current version would always disapear, to be replaced by tools I would never use. I certainly don't want Windows on all my devices, but I am looking forward to Windows 10 for my desktop/laptops. I found almost all the items on the slideshow to be interesting.
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8/5/2015 | 11:59:37 AM
Who cares?
Who cares about the difference between Win 10 and 8? Most savvy users didn't adopt Windows 8. I had 8.1 on one of my computers, and I couldn't care less what changes were made to Window 10. The street-wise know that Windows 10 is an update of Windows 7 not windows 8. 


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