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SETI: Letís Stop Listening For Aliens And Start Talking Instead
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Somedude8
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4/6/2015 | 5:17:12 PM
Re: Bad idea
Maybe I have seen too many moves where the aliens take over, 'serve' us, enslave us, exterminate us, etc. I DON'T TRUST THEM!
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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4/6/2015 | 5:13:53 PM
Re: Bad idea
@somedude8- Fair enough. I figure if anyone can travel 5 light years or more to get it, there's little to do to stop them other than convince them we nice and can be friends. :)
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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4/6/2015 | 5:11:56 PM
Re: Not a good idea
@Li Tan- Well, that's why i find this to be a step above what we've done. It requires being systematic and intelligent about the search rather than just listening to the cosmic noise and hoping we can determine a pattrn to it.
Somedude8
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Somedude8,
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4/6/2015 | 5:11:32 PM
Re: Bad idea
That sounds a lot nicer than the scenario I see. Even then, its only a matter of time before 'we need/want, they have, we take' kicks in and we become the indians. What you describe sounds to me like taking 'hey there is tuff over here you might want' and turning it into 'hey there is stuff over here you might want, and here is a headstart on figuring out the easiest way to take it.'
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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4/6/2015 | 5:08:43 PM
Re: Bad idea
@Gary_El- It is true the signal doesn't move quite the speed of light. But it is easier for the purposes of the conversation. Signal degradation is also inevitable, but the good news is that that is another thing for us to learn about making this more useful to society than simply have a chat with aliens. The thing i like about this is the idea of creating a technology that will allow us to broadcast the entire contents of the internet in less than a day. That has to be a boost to our networking skills on earth.
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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4/6/2015 | 5:05:37 PM
Re: Bad idea
@Somedude8- Well, who said anything about visiting? Why not just talking? One of the things about the Columbus issue is that most of these encounters happen on the beach with tension from the beginning. 

think about it this way. Some strange culture literally just shows up one day dragging their boats on to the shore. They don't speak your language. You've never heard of them. What would happen? Mutual distrust.

On the other hand, what would happen if 6 months before Columbus arrived he sent a message and a bunch of phrasebooks in a bottle and the natives knew about it ahead of time? Both sides arrive with more trust and understanding. That's the advantage of sending our entire internet. Advance warming, a chance to get to know us and a chance for us to know each other's languages. It changes the rules of the encounter.
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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4/6/2015 | 5:01:45 PM
Re: Aliens
@elleno- Awesome. You win the comment of the week. But I don't know anyone who will be alive in 2367 so I'll take my chances. :)
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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4/6/2015 | 3:56:23 PM
Re: Not a good idea
@rjwright000- Well, it at least assumes we aren't in danger from aliens. Think about it this way. If you were an alien race that can move faster than the speed of light (like Star Trek) then you can already hear the signals coming from Earth. We send singlas out to space all the time. For whatever reason those sorts of aliens have chosen not to visit us (if they exist). Probably because if you can move faster than light, we probably look like primitive beings. We aren't worth investigating or even enslaving.

If you can't move faster than light, what would be the point of the journey to enslave or conquer? Let's say your spaceships can move exactly the speed of light. Somehow you're so much more advanced than we are (our ships have never gone faster than 165,000 miles per hour, which by my quick math is about 2 percent of the speed of light) you can do that but you still think we're worth enslaving.



Even if you lived 5 light years away, it is still a 10 year round trip to make a slavery run of the planet earth. And decades or centuries for most stars even in our local neighborhood. For what? For slaves? Unless those aliens have a very different life span or perspective on the universe, that makes little sense for a society that can move at the speed of light.

Also, i haven't gotten into any of the stranger relativistic aspects of moving at or near the speed of light.

But yes, technically speaking if you are boraodcasting your position whether it is on your own planet or into space, you run the risk of the wrong personan finding out. Just ask people on the internet.
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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4/6/2015 | 3:42:20 PM
Re: Not a good idea
@danielcawrey- For the record, radio waves move at the same speed as light does. That's why your radio works. If radio waves moved at the speed of sound, you would get different signals based on how you moved, especially the faster you moved. A fighter jet could literally outriun a radio signal if they didn't. 

The advantage to light is that it can hold more information. Radio waves don't require line of sight because they bounce off of everything which make them better for sending things we want the masses to pick up (like radio and TV). But if you want to focus the message infrared or microwaves or other types of smaller wavelength energies are better.
Ariella
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Ariella,
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4/6/2015 | 10:28:57 AM
Re: Not a good idea
@Danielcawrey Well, you know what some people say, the fact that they haven't made contact proves their intelligence! It's also possible that they have completely different forms of communication that would be incomprehensible to us.
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