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impactnow
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4/22/2015 | 12:25:46 PM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space

While I understand the push to get private industry to support space exploration the focus would undoubtedly shift from exploration to monetary gain. We should still want to explore and learn about our solar system to learn about our own planet and how to address issues we have now and in the future. I agree focus is key based on the costs but I don't think we should just abandon the learning process.

David Wagner
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4/21/2015 | 2:18:40 PM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
@Gary_El- I think the focus is slowly switching to putting a person on Mars. I think NASA realized it couldn't get there without a cheap and reliable rocket. I think that's where we are. I could be wrong, but i think the next step is actually building rockets in space. I think we're going to build a rocket that can get a new and better space station together and then we're going to be launching from there to save fuel. Gravity is the real killer.

But regardless of what the nexxt focus is, making it cheap and reliable is the first hurdle. 
Gary_EL
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4/21/2015 | 2:15:38 PM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
@David Wagner

I agree in that I think that technology has matured to the point that it is now time for private industry to take over the lead role in designing and building spacecraft. After all, the government doesn't build fighter jets or tanks, either! But it won't solve the problem of lack of focus. We still really don't know what we want to accomplish in space.

For myself, I'm more interested in what we can do in our little part of the solar system. I'm more interested in rail gun launches into space than in deep cosmos astronomy. I hope I live long enough to read about the first scandals involving illegal garbage dumping in space!
David Wagner
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4/21/2015 | 2:06:47 PM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
@zerox203- I suspect the tangible benefits of big ticket science is always an issue. The cost of the Large Hadron Collider was $13 billion and it costs $1 billion a year to operate. We found the Higgs Boson, but what will that mean for anyone anytime soon?

Personally, I think understanding the universe for the sake of it is worth the price. But I do get annoyed when someone says, "It will cost $1 billion to do this" and they come back a year later and say it will cost $5 billion and then a year later and it is $10 billion.

I feel the same way about the overbudget replacement to the Oakland Bay Bridge.

Obviously, we have the same problem in IT with projects going overbudget. So this isn't just a government thing, but I'd like to think we can do better and still learn the workings of the universe.
David Wagner
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4/21/2015 | 1:56:36 PM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
@Gary_el- Well, i think it might be a little too easy to blame the end of the Cold War on this. The Space Shuttle was flying years before the Berlin Wall fell and had already sort of been derailed from its mission. In fact, my feeling is that what the Space Shuttle really suffered from was a lack of focus. It was space for space's sake. And we've been there for decades now. 

I'm sue the folks at NASA at the time who ever more insight than me would disagree with the idea of a lack of focus. I'm sure they knew exactly what they wanted to achieve with each mission. But we lacked a national direction that NASA could grab onto and run with.

So here we are. We're trying to lower the cost of space and that's what the private sector is good at. So that's OK. And then NASA can put its pure research onto commercial vehicles that have been proven cheap and reliable and we all win.
David Wagner
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4/21/2015 | 1:44:14 PM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
@Mak63- The inflation argument is interesting. By the rate of inflation, you are correct that SpaceX is approaching it. But, of course, we'd have to check inflation on specific payloads. Clearly, when it comes to space telescopes, they seem to be getting more expensive faster than the inflation rate.

You'd also expect that the price of technology would drop. If you went, for exampple by the price of computer technology, the cost of space should have only gone done from 1972, not up.Even the cost of airline travel by percentage of a person's salary has gone done significantly. So I'm not sure inflation is the right way to look at it. But it is very interesting.
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4/21/2015 | 1:25:58 PM
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@pklittle- Well, all the better for the atronauts I guess that Lavazza knows coffee better than the Americans. That said, the issues are exactly the same, microgravity makes things behave differently in space. So learning how to move water, steam or anything else so that it mimics what happens on Earth is a big deal. 

The real fun, I suppose is if we start creating space cuisine that only can be made in microgravity and then we try to copy that cuisine on Earth.
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4/20/2015 | 5:29:39 PM
Re: Morning Coffee in Space
Hi David..

With respect, this is Italian Espresso, not "coffee" as Americans know it (or "dirty water" as Italians call what we drink.)  This is compressed steam through the coffee to give a flavor American coffee cannot match which is "brewed" and requires the Wagnerian comment about dripping water ;-)

That being said... somebody got a lucritive contract, eh? Surprised Jura wasn't in there!  Now if we could get Cisco or HP to install some great Wifi on the ISS.... or how about on Mars?  
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4/20/2015 | 7:22:30 AM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
Agreed. He's willing and able to dump $57 million into each launch - admittedly, funded by NASA contracts - into the Falcon 9 rocket design and it will eventually get there. Each launch gets closer to making that booster reusable. Once its been proven doable too, it can be landed on land, making it even cheaper again since it doesn't have to factor in recovery costs. 

It could potentially even land back near the launch pad, ready for refurbishment and another launch in short order. 
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4/19/2015 | 10:38:34 AM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
Yeah I agree with you.  I don't know what makes guys like Elon Musk tick but it's hard to bet against him.  Guys like that are visionaries so it will be interesting to see where this leads us.
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