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Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
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mak63
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4/19/2015 | 1:16:40 AM
Re: Space X, Hubble, Coffee: The Cost Of Doing Business In Space
when that goal of $1,000 dollar a pound was set, it might very well have been met by some other system by now,

According to my calculations, $1000 in '72 is roughly $6000 in 2015. Space X is really not far form achieving that goal.
PedroGonzales
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4/18/2015 | 10:42:34 PM
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The good think about Elon Musk is that he is willing to learn from his mistakes and he has the money to support such endeavor.  I don't see other institution or individual taking such approach.  In the long term, this will serve as a foundation making space travel most efficient and cost effective
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4/17/2015 | 11:16:07 PM
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It's said that the Space Shuttle was the classic "bridge too far", designed in the early 70's with 60's components, it was just too far ahead of its time. And, when that goal of $1,000 dollar a pound was set, it might very well have been met by some other system by now, but for one unforeseen event – the end of the cold war and the resulting de-emphasis of all things military and space.

All of us here are techies of one stripe or another, and I think I speak for all of us when I say that I really don't care what it costs – I want us to devote money and effort in space. Sure, I wish it would come faster and cheaper, but I'm willing to wait a bit longer if I have to for Mr. Musk to succeed in his amazing effort to perfect a reusable first stage. Maybe, just maybe, close can also count in rocketry, too.
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4/17/2015 | 5:33:02 PM
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I'll start by saying this; we're definitely too jaded these days. I'm not one to blame the kidz and their Youtubez, but how can living in an age where a commercial company develops reusable rocket ships evoke anything but pure wonder? The Hubble still amazes me. Streaming HD video still amazes me. I remember having to download the movie and carry an external hard drive to my friend's house for movie nights - having that instead (sort of) of phsyical media amazed me. My point is the same as yours - we shouldn't take all this wonder for granted. Elon Musk might say some pie-in-the-sky stuff (killer AIs and vacuum tube trains), but there's no doubt he's a pioneer, and the world would be a better place if your average person was more like him and less like *insert shady political pundit here*. I'll toast my magic space coffee cup to that.

As for the recent space headlines, thanks for the roundup. The one about the space coffee cup got way over my head talking about 'seperating multiphase fluids', but it's cool to know that someone understands what that is and is working on it. To those skeptical of uber-budget space programs, proponents are quick to say 'but think of all the scientific benefits for us back here on earth!', and they're right - but it can be hard to see how a multibillion dollar project funded with taxpayer money can produce any tangible benefit for you and me that's worth the expense. It's not hard to see, though, how the aerodynamics of that coffee cup or the manufacturing processes on that espresso machine could be applied to consumer goods or used to help those in need. This all goes back into driving that entrepreneuria spiritl, which goes back into driving innovations on the level of SpaceX. Everyone wins.
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4/17/2015 | 4:55:40 PM
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@David it does take time and a certain amount of trial-and-error to get a process perfected. That's why Edison said, ""I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."  And supposedly, it took a couple of thousand attempts just to find the filament that would work for the light bulb. 
David Wagner
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4/17/2015 | 4:30:44 PM
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@Tom- I don't know about an arm which seems just as likely to accidentally damage it. But I'm surprised they can't deploy a net or inflatable bags or something. But I think they will learn to compensate for the lateral forces soon.
David Wagner
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4/17/2015 | 4:29:13 PM
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@Ariella- Yes, I've looked high and low to find a reason why they don't do this on a bigger, not moving target like a desert. I planned on asking them for a future story. It seems like one of the advantages of a wider target is that you don't need as many last second compensations. But clearly, they have a reason. They didn't just decide to make it harder for the heck of it.

I think they'll pull this off. The first time they tried, they ran out of hydaulic fluid before touchdown. The reasons for the second time aren't known yet, but they'll learn from it.
Thomas Claburn
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4/17/2015 | 3:51:59 PM
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If SpaceX can't compensate for the lateral velocity, I expect the company will be able to rig a landing pad with some kind of support arm system that swings into place to prevent the rocket from tipping over after touchdown.
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4/17/2015 | 12:11:00 PM
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On SpaceX, I shared the report of its failure from Smithsonian on G+ and got some interesting comments in response. 

One pointed out that this was not really the third time it made the attempt but only the second, as one of the scheduled attempts was scrubbed. Another said, "Considering what they're trying to do, I'm willing to give them a few chances. And this attempt was /so/ much closer." As for future plans, they offered this, "Rumor has it that the next try will do away with the barge and try to land back on the coast or perhaps a small island offshore. The barge is just proving to be too small and to unsteady a target. "
David Wagner
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4/17/2015 | 10:32:41 AM
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@jastroff- I'm no NASA insider, and I certainly wasn't in the 1970's when the Space Shuttle program was put together, but honestly, I think the real problem was keeping too much institutional memory from the Space Race days. I think they failed to transition to a more business-like mindset. At some point in the Space Shuttle delivery cycle someone should have said, "this is never going to deliver on its promises" and they should have stopped. But the "failure is not an option" mentality kept them pushing against a bad premise.

That said, Space X is standing on the shoulders of giants. If it wasn't for NASA, both past and present, SpaceX couldn't exist. But this is part of any business cycle I guess. Governments and university do the foundational work for most big science. Then business come in to make it a commercial success. Nothing wrong with that on any level.
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