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Steve Jobs Movie: 5 Myths, 5 Realities
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vnewman2
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10/16/2015 | 2:25:43 PM
A rose by any other name...
I'm intrigued but didn't Ashton Kucher just do this?
Susan Fourtané
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10/18/2015 | 8:14:39 AM
Re: A rose by any other name...
vnewman, 

Yes, Ashton Kucher did another movie on Steve Jobs. I suspect many more will come. 

-Susan
Susan Fourtané
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10/18/2015 | 9:21:36 AM
Just a work of fiction with the intention of making money using Steve Jobs' name
"To paint a picture of Jobs's personality and relationships, he read Walter Isaacson's biography and tried to re-imagine how the Apple leader would have acted away from the public eye. As a result, certain events and details have been made up, or put in a different order, so Sorkin could depict the truth of Jobs as he imagined it."

Tried to re-imagine Steve Jobs? Certain events and details have been made up? What truth are we talking about here if the film is full of fiction? Why, then, a work of mainly fiction is selling the wrong idea of a film about Steve Jobs? Oh, I see. Because it will sell well and that's the only point of this movie, right? 

-Susan 
PedroGonzales
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10/18/2015 | 9:58:16 AM
Re: Just a work of fiction with the intention of making money using Steve Jobs' name
@Susan. I think if most of the stuff is fiction then it shouldn't be called Steve jobs, but john smith.  He took parts of his life and integrated into a fictional story, sort of like historical fiction.  You build a story of a fictional character into a sort of actual facts.  If all things Steve jobs sell now, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to create a netflix show about this life.
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10/18/2015 | 12:45:01 PM
Re: Just a work of fiction with the intention of making money using Steve Jobs' name
And having written a novel about Jobs entitled "Selling Steve Jobs' Liver: A Story of Startups, Innovation, and Connectivity in the Clouds" I am in full accord with this grubby philosophy. But, let's be honest. Even the best biopics take enormous liberties with the truth and that will never change.

But I think the most interesting question which none of the films address, though this movie does ask it, is what did Steve Jobs do? Not a programmer, designer, engineer, writer, etc., etc. What exactly did he bring to the party and why?

I haave some thoughts on the issue and will post up an extensive review on this at the "Liver" website.   I sold Apple IIs and IIIs, was trained as a Apple "Level 2" service repairman circa 1982, owned several Macs though I'm more a Windows guy, and over the years developed a perspective on why Jobs flopped so badly in the 80s but hit it out of the park in the new century.

rick

 
Susan Fourtané
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10/19/2015 | 4:21:17 AM
Re: Just a work of fiction with the intention of making money using Steve Jobs' name
Pedro, exactly. Maybe that's also why it was not important to do a casting searrching for an actor who looked more like Steve Jobs. -Susan
Technocrati
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10/18/2015 | 7:09:15 PM
Steve Job's Movies: Fact or Fiction
"......the movie "isn't about reality. It's about personalities."


While I don't think I will be paying to watch this movie on Jobs at least it is admitted that there is a very definate slant to it. I wonder if the layman will realize this ?
Susan Fourtané
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10/19/2015 | 4:09:03 AM
Re: Steve Job's Movies: Fact or Fiction
Technorati rati, :D I don't think I will pay any money to watch this movie either. -Susan
Kelly22
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10/19/2015 | 10:54:22 AM
Re: Steve Job's Movies: Fact or Fiction
That's something I thought of -- sure, Boyle and Sorkin admitted the movie isn't factually sound, but is that something most viewers will recognize or remember? Or will they leave theatres thinking this is an accurate portrayal of how things unfolded in Jobs' life?
Technocrati
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10/18/2015 | 7:18:27 PM
Factual, Nearly Factual and Sony
"Everything I say, every scene that I'm in, I wasn't talking to Steve Jobs at those events."

 

Amazing to see the conflict between Hollywood's requirement of dialog and the realities of tech. Techies for the most part do not talk much, but a still shot of Wozniak programming and developing is not Hollywood's view of how things should be retold.

So as a result we get this fictional, one sided depiction of the subject. Did Sony do this ? This sounds like their Statement of Purpose.
hho927
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10/19/2015 | 8:00:17 PM
It's a movie
Not everything suppose to be true unless it's a documentary.
vnewman2
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10/20/2015 | 12:39:57 PM
Re: It's a movie
@hho927, While I don't entirely disagree with that point, I think there's a point where poetic license ends and outright making things up begins.  I would argue that anytime a movie is about a person, then the events depicted in the story need to be true.  Otherwise, you're just fabricating a non-existant person's life.  Am I wrong?
hho927
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10/20/2015 | 12:47:27 PM
Re: It's a movie
The purpose of making a movie is to make money. (Unless somebody pays the movie maker, then it's not about money.) If it's entertainment, it'll make money.

If at the beggining, the screen shows it's for entertainment purpose only. Why don't we just enjoy it for that. Why everything has to be correct?

It's not an an education movie.
vnewman2
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10/20/2015 | 1:24:12 PM
Re: It's a movie
But then why not just make a completely fictional movie that's not tied to a real person?
hho927
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10/20/2015 | 1:31:53 PM
Re: It's a movie
opportunistic

lol

Exploit the sittuation/name so they can spend little $. The movie gets free advertise from the media anyway. Production cost next to nothing(unknown actor). Anyway, it'll make $ for sure.

They do make those movies like you suggested. But those cost them heavy $ (production, advertisement, etc). And there is no guarantee they will make profit.

 
Kelly22
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10/20/2015 | 5:04:51 PM
Re: It's a movie
Think you hit the nail on the head here. They could've made up a movie about someone else, but it wouldn't gotten a fraction of the attention Steve Jobs did, or made as much money off it. If the film is about Steve Jobs, people will talk about it and pay to see it, especially if the people behind it are already connected to a popular movie (in this case, The Social Network).
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10/21/2015 | 7:46:32 AM
Re: It's a movie
I feel that curating is a difficult process and selecting the right perspective can make all the difference. If the Earth is set as the point of reference, the moon rotates around it and if the moon is set as the point of reference then, the Earth rotates around it -- select another point and the Earth and moon goes around each other.

The economics of entertainment is changing. Viewers have started searching for facts in science fiction movies such as, Interstellar, etc. The Steve Jobs movie might hold information value. However, without having watched the movie I can say that there is a bias and expectation that the movie will hold some informational value because, Moneyball was great.
Kelly22
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10/21/2015 | 11:12:25 AM
Re: It's a movie
I didn't see Moneyball, but I did see The Social Network. Sorkin has an interesting perspective, and his association with those two movies may also draw people in to see the Jobs movie.

Many of the events in Steve Jobs are made up, unfortunately for those who go into the movie expecting a lot of legitimate information. While there are some nuggets of truth in there, it looks like the fiction outweighs the facts.
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10/27/2015 | 1:54:26 PM
Too much creative liscence is annoying
I find it annoying when movie makers use the name of a person to describe a psuedo moment of time in which so much in not factually correct. I understand you need to make some creative liscencing to get the feel of the people and events, cutting out minor characters becasue real life is so much messier than a movie can contain. The more I read about the movie the less I'm likely to go see it. If it doesn't really tell me about Steve Jobs, If it doesn't tell me how Apple got built, If it's  just about a tempermental man that had a bunch of fictional arguments, why would I want to see that. They should have left Steve Job's name out of the title and just called it "launch" for something to differentiate it from a biography.


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