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Ashu001
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2/27/2016 | 8:52:46 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
Pedro,

As the Snowden revealations of the last 2-3 years have very clearly and conclusively pointed out;Apple had no problem shipping all its customers Data Wholesale to the NSA and their sister agencies in the UK,Australia,New Zealand,Canada & Israel(Before iOS7).

Its only now that Apple has started encrypting each and every iphone at source that these Agencies have some roadblocks on their way to Total Online surveillance(atleast as far as iPhones are concerned).So we always had the Orwell 1984 sceanario here in the US(If you were/are an iPHone user).

In China,well if you work with up do date Linux Distros(with Built-in Anonymouzers) and avoid Java,Flash and Reader like the plague you will be safer than most Chinese internet users out there.

Why blame what other countries do with their Citizens if our Countries do worse?
TerryB
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2/26/2016 | 1:23:23 PM
Re: Democracy???
@ashu001, it started way longer than a few decades ago. The original plan was for states to have more power than the fed, that was the first power grab. Once that happened, it's all been downhill from there. That's kind of what I was alluding to saying all our systems are broken.

I'm not exactly sure where in history the government decided they needed to protect us from ourselves. Power corrupts, only leads to wanting to consolidate more power by any means necessary.

Only thing I'm not in agreement with you on is your statement Bernie and Trump are same thing. Whether you agree with Bernie on his policies, he is coming from position of really wanting to help the majority (read non rich) of Americans. Trump wants to help Trump. I don't think you'll go into Bernie's office and see pictures of himself posted all over the walls. You seen what Trump's office looks like in Trump Tower?

I'm guessing you didn't really mean it that way, just that you consider him way too left for your taste and Trump way too (fill in direction, crazy maybe?) something else. If so, pretty much how I feel also. But if push comes to shove, I'm giving Bernie a shot before Trump. It will end up being more gridlock if Bernie gets in anyway, nothing will really happen. I just hope he has a good VP because that job will kill the poor old guy.  :-)
stevew928
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2/26/2016 | 12:06:13 PM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
I don't think they wanted to be successful... IMO, that was the point.
stevew928
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2/26/2016 | 12:04:05 PM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
I don't think I'm buying it in this case. I think they want into phones really bad, and this seemed like the perfect case to do so, with all the emotion swirling around it. The incompetence, I guess we'll see, is around how they judged the reaction would play out, and if enough people are actually paying attention to make a difference.
stevew928
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2/26/2016 | 12:00:50 PM
Re: Democracy???
I pretty much agree.

But, was just pointing out that I didn't see how being a democracy had much to do with the point being made. And, I wouldn't want the USA to be a democracy, as a constitutional republic (with a good constitution) is a better form of government.

But, yes, once you go postmodern (ie: reader responsive interpretation) and corrupt, with an uninformed (and propagandized public), it doesn't matter all that much how good the constitution is.
PedroGonzales
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2/26/2016 | 9:43:05 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
@Ashu.  You are right. Both the Government and tech companies will be making a huge fuss if that happened. Now that you mentioned, if it were to happen; we will be more like china, were any company that does business there must have a monitoring program.  There, 1984 is a reality. 
Ashu001
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2/26/2016 | 9:16:18 AM
Re: Democracy???
Steve,

Its one of the Biggest Jokes to call the US a Democracy today(unless of course the current Presidential Election really ends up electing Bernie Sanders or Trump).

Its very simply a winner takes all market;where each and every Politician is on Sale for the Right Price.

With respect to your statement HERE-

Given that the role of government is to 'protect and defend the Constitution' not 'protect the American people' it doesn't much matter that some crazy judge ordered Apple to do something unconstitutional, democracy or not.

Am I the only person here who thinks hardly any section of the US Constitution still has'nt been trampled on by the various Governments of the last 3-4 decades???


 

 
Ashu001
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2/26/2016 | 9:10:26 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
Steve,

My reading of the case so far gave me this basic idea-Only if you connect an iPhone to a known "Wi-Fi Network" does it backup to  the iCloud.

Apparently,the FBI was totally clueless to how this worked and try to force their hand against the in built safeguards in the iOS Operating System which eventually locked them out of the Phone entirely.

After that in their desperation they went over to Apple but then the phone was beyond useless.

If that on its own does'nt explain the total incompetence of the FBI nothing really will.

Will it?

 
Ashu001
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2/26/2016 | 9:04:01 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
mak63,

Its not just that aspect(where FBI screwed up so royally when it comes to these iPhones);if you simply connect an iPhone to a "known" Wi-fi Network;it automatically backsup all its Data to the iCloud.

Could'nt the FBI have simulated a known "Wi-Fi Network" in their Tech Lab for this case?

Its not that difficult(all you need to do is find out the IP Address,MAC address,and Device Details of the existing Wi-Fi router which was on its list of Known Wi-Fi Networks) and then create a Pseudo Network in the Lab.Once you have this network connected to the iPhone its then a simple question of retrieving all the relevant data either before it leaks into the iCloud or then Serving a subpeoana with Apple to retrieve the relevant data.

This is what happens when you have Full-time Government Buearacratts and not Top-notch Pros handling such issues.

Frankly speaking I am not really surprised that the FBI screwed up so badly.

 

 
mak63
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2/26/2016 | 3:25:42 AM
Re: Did'nt John McAfee offer to do it for the FBI for Free?
The American government would say we can't allow the Russian, Chinese or whoever to get their hands on this tech, because only the USA are the good guys.
Anyway, I don't believe the FBI can allow McAfee to get their hands on the iPhone being evidence and such.
Why I don't get is that, someone, at the FBI requests changed the iCloud password. It's my understanding that in order to do that, you need to have the old password. I think the FBI screwed up this case (read iPhone) really bad already.
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