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Banacek
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4/14/2016 | 11:15:26 AM
Re: Mixed feelings
" On one hand I am upset that Apple took such a strong stance against the FBI to the point you would think Apple was holding out against the Gestapo."

I'm sorry, but when your government has a history of acting like that, they lose all benefit of the doubt. The government has secret warrants, NSLs, gag orders. They've been found to spy on citizens, collect information in the hopes it will help them. We've got leaders telling us "If you've got nothing to hide, you shouldn't care", which I think would make an authoritarian country groan with a "I've heard that before". The FBI, for decades, kept files and tabs on all sorts of 'subversives' in our country, doing who knows what with the information. (Find out a candidate for president is having an affair, you can control them!). All in the name of 'keeping us safe'.

Here's a sad story. I was listening to an old-time-radio show, This is your FBI, from the early 50s. In this episode, at a break, the narrator went on to tell us about the horrors of communism by retelling a story of someone who escaped from a country under a communist regime. He talked about being imprisoned without trial, about being kept awake for days on end, being bombarded with music and noise, all in an attempt to break him (re-educate, you know). And as he was going on and on about these deplorable acts, I could tick off each and every one of them as being something the US has been caught doing lately under the PATRIOT Act. And you think of everything the government has been exposed doing, and all I can think back to is my days growing up hearing about government surveillance in East Germany and Russia and wondering "How did we let our government turn into the USSR?".

Oh, but they're "terrorists" and it's "war", that's OK then.
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Banacek,
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4/14/2016 | 11:05:30 AM
Re: ...The End
You won't hear anything because there was no intelligence on that phone to begin with. These people weren't completely stupid and incompetent that they could only use one email address or something, you know. They destroyed two of their phones. Why not this one? Because it was his work phone, not his personal one. What do you think he's doing? "Hey, Osama, send me that critical planning information on my work phone, the one the my employers can track, watch, read, and has access to all the data, because it's too hard to have to grab my other phone to read those messages."

And since terrorist cells work as cells, they're not going to know anything about anything else happening anyways. The best you're going to get is phone numbers. And those they would have already found on their other phones/records, if any.
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tjgkg,
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4/14/2016 | 8:19:06 AM
Re: ...The End
@Michelle: I don't think you will really hear anything about this for a while. Right now it is probably quiet because the FBI is either acting on the intelligence or still analysing it. You will hear something after a raid, arrest or take down of suspects. If they say something beforehand it will tip off the terrorists. Frankly I wish the FBI did not say anything at all about Apple and about breaking into the phone.
Michelle
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Michelle,
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4/13/2016 | 11:42:48 PM
Re: ...The End
@tjgkg I didn't phrase my comment very well. I really only want to know if they found something and hope they act on it. I don't want to know details of an ongoing operation like this. 
tjgkg
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tjgkg,
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4/13/2016 | 1:58:44 PM
Re: ...The End
You haven't heard anything because the FBI is analyzing and (hopefully) acting on the intelligence they found on that phone. It makes no sense to publicize what they found and tip off the terrorists.
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tjgkg,
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4/13/2016 | 1:57:02 PM
Mixed feelings
I have so many mixed feelings about this story. On one hand I am upset that Apple took such a strong stance against the FBI to the point you would think Apple was holding out against the Gestapo. I understand Apple's feeling of responsibility to its users in terms of privacy and security. But there are times when everyone has to come together for the benefit of the country and ALL its citizens, not just Apple users. Police enter homes with search warrants. The FBI I don't think had that option to enter a locked phone so it had to go through the courts. At the same time they were public about their effort to get into that phone, something an evil agency would not do. I am glad they got into it and hopefully they have uncovered a treasure trove of intelligence that will be used to protect our nation and its citizens. It will be interesting to see how Tim Cook handles the Chinese government should they request a similar service for something far less serious than terrorism.
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Michelle,
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4/13/2016 | 1:56:58 PM
...The End
This story's end is like a tech-thriller only in real life... I want to know what they found on that phone, if anything. This has been a very public fight for information.
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