Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy - InformationWeek

InformationWeek is part of the Informa Tech Division of Informa PLC

This site is operated by a business or businesses owned by Informa PLC and all copyright resides with them.Informa PLC's registered office is 5 Howick Place, London SW1P 1WG. Registered in England and Wales. Number 8860726.

IoT
IoT
Comments
Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
Newest First  |  Oldest First  |  Threaded View
<<   <   Page 2 / 4   >   >>
Rhonindk
50%
50%
Rhonindk,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/2/2012 | 1:52:38 AM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
Nice thought but this still does not address the issue of patent definitions and patent office expertise (see my other post).

Take your proposal, assume that all of Apple's patents are legit and apply said reasoning. What would be the state of the smartphone market today?

It's 2012 and we would be back in 2007 era if we were really really lucky.
Rhonindk
50%
50%
Rhonindk,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/2/2012 | 1:48:11 AM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
Not entirely. They are pushed to process more patents faster than ever before (push from government and business) These patents are becoming increasingly legalistic to the point even an expert in the field will have difficulty defining them in black and white terms. Add to this the lack of expertise of the patent processors, the changing laws and law definitions as defined by trials and lawsuits.

A disaster in the making.... happening as we speak.
mzahler554
50%
50%
mzahler554,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/2/2012 | 12:04:26 AM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
totally agree
rhawkins982
50%
50%
rhawkins982,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/2/2012 | 12:02:34 AM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
Good article. But surely the US Patent Office is atfault for alowing such broad concepts to be patentable.now that they have made the mess, surely they are responsible for a cleanup solution.
espresso_luvr
50%
50%
espresso_luvr,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/1/2012 | 11:04:41 PM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
i completely agree with TRANSVALUATION ... there HAS to be protection for the real idea creators, else we kill the economy and genuine innovation from another direction (piracy!) ... too may consumers have become addicts to the cheap products regardless of source or the method/ethics by which it was developed, but it should not come at the price of discouraging those brave and brilliant inventor types from investing the incredibly hard R&D work, time and resources to develop true breakthroughs ... companies should not be able to gain undue advantage over those that pay the price for invention by crass copy/imitation ...

i further agree with TRANSVALUATION that those protections need to be fair & balanced, such that they do not lock up the market/innovation either ... these are delicate matters and equity (balance) is difficult to achieve ... while the suggestions made seem reasonable enough, formalizing those will require far greater/deeper consideration than we can give here ... but if it can be proven that SAMSUNG engaged in copying rather than engaging in original research or paying royalties to the patent holders, then they should be taken to the cleaners ... and as far as argument goes, just because something similar was demonstrated previously in another discipline (e.g., photography) that "fact" holds no water either logically or legally if it was never patented ...
akim917
50%
50%
akim917,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/1/2012 | 10:44:42 PM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
There is no Iphone without Samsung's 3G. Apple has became no more than a marketing company for other company's technology.
PatrickH
50%
50%
PatrickH,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/1/2012 | 10:20:02 PM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
Oh for heaven's sake people, or those of you who didn't read the column analytically enough to at least make a comment that enhances the discussion: I never, ever said that companies should give up their intellectual property rights. C'mon. I mean, really? Just read the piece.

Of course legitimate inventions need the protection of law for the same reason that not anyone can come in, squat on your front yard and claim it for themselves.

The point is that that the patent protection system is seriously flawed, especially in an era when so much of what we invent is abstract and is software. And the system allows the fuzziest of abstractions to stand as legitimate.

Someone put it so well here. What if Tim Berners-Lee had claimed a patent on a hyperlink as a way to link anything to everything on a digital network?

Many infringement claims are outright specious. Apple and Samsung may indeed have some legitimate ones against each other. But it's naive to think that Apple isn't using the system's propensity to legitimize broad, fuzzy claims to keep a competitor at bay.

And there's real collateral damage in terms of real dollar costs as well as social ones.
ANON1252430315558
50%
50%
ANON1252430315558,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/1/2012 | 9:26:48 PM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
Sure forget the law, forget company's intellectual property rights. Let's just think what is best for you, me, and the rest of us that do not contribute anything to innovation.
ANON1243964961984
50%
50%
ANON1243964961984,
User Rank: Apprentice
8/1/2012 | 3:54:17 PM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
Patrick,

You're righ on the money! The disingenuous and specious arguments being made on both sides are nothing but anti-competitive and anti-progress. They disenchant me as a former customer of both companies. There is room enough for all to be sure. Phones need to connect to networks and take photos etc. and touch tablets need touch interfaces and reasonable form factors and all competitors will always strive to build more in less of a package. There are common physical/ergonomic/manufacturing limitations that all players must agree to abide by. In a sufficently complex technological society rooted in the same tech evolution, it is highly probable that the identical idea can originate within an overlapping time frame of a few months and in completely different places by completely different and independent people. As for the Tab 10.1 being indistinguishable from an iPad... what a joke! What about all the other 10" tabs like the ASUS, ACER, TOSHIBA etc. Those are all so close now as to be truly indistinguishable from the Samsung from more that a few feet of viewing distance... far more so than in comparison to an iPad.
Steve Jobs must be burning in hell now because he sure was intolerant and arrogant in life and his legacy lives on in these lawsuits. He could have been a great technological philanthopist but instead he chose to vent his wrath. As for Samsungs "fill the earth with redundant and disposable cell phones" approach, they won't even support their international products with a warranty. Try and get Samsung warranty service and support for something you purchased out ot country or online such as an unlocked international phone... forget it! Now if Apple and Samsung got together and truly cooperated... and truly listened to their customers... and supported them... then you'd see some amazing engineering and truly spectacular products!
lgarey@techweb.com
50%
50%
[email protected],
User Rank: Apprentice
8/1/2012 | 2:46:07 PM
re: Apple-Samsung Case Hurts You, Me, The Economy
Apple produces its products in Asia as well; whether the term "sweatshop" applies to Foxconn is open to debate, but if you're damning Samsung based on manufacturing outside the U.S., you have to extend that to most electronics manufacturers. That's separate from the IP debate.
<<   <   Page 2 / 4   >   >>


State of the Cloud
State of the Cloud
Cloud has drastically changed how IT organizations consume and deploy services in the digital age. This research report will delve into public, private and hybrid cloud adoption trends, with a special focus on infrastructure as a service and its role in the enterprise. Find out the challenges organizations are experiencing, and the technologies and strategies they are using to manage and mitigate those challenges today.
Slideshows
IT Careers: Top 10 US Cities for Tech Jobs
Cynthia Harvey, Freelance Journalist, InformationWeek,  1/14/2020
Commentary
Predictions for Cloud Computing in 2020
James Kobielus, Research Director, Futurum,  1/9/2020
News
What's Next: AI and Data Trends for 2020 and Beyond
Jessica Davis, Senior Editor, Enterprise Apps,  12/30/2019
Register for InformationWeek Newsletters
Video
Current Issue
The Cloud Gets Ready for the 20's
This IT Trend Report explores how cloud computing is being shaped for the next phase in its maturation. It will help enterprise IT decision makers and business leaders understand some of the key trends reflected emerging cloud concepts and technologies, and in enterprise cloud usage patterns. Get it today!
White Papers
Slideshows
Twitter Feed
Sponsored Live Streaming Video
Everything You've Been Told About Mobility Is Wrong
Attend this video symposium with Sean Wisdom, Global Director of Mobility Solutions, and learn about how you can harness powerful new products to mobilize your business potential.
Sponsored Video
Flash Poll