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7/12/2016 | 1:31:59 PM
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Susan,

This is certainly a topic that makes everyone think. Especially given the events that have taken place since this thread started. So, you are welcome. I wish we were able to start a trend where everyone takes a step back and thinks about things ethically. The temperature is very high right now in this country and not because it is summer.

I never knew that medical experimentation was done in US prisons for decades as you had mentioned. One can see why inmates would jump if their death sentences were commuted, or if they were not under sentence of death, paid. I'm not sure I would be happy if someone under sentence of death is commuted because they volunteered for medical experiments. It doesn't seem right no matter what kind of experimentation is carried out.

But with regard to the case of supporting the death penalty and not supporting medical experimentation, like i said this has been ingrained in human society since Day One. It is sanctioned and specified in every holy text I can think of at the present and has been part of the law of every major country since the founding of nations. It is only recently that nations have begun to abolish the death penalty. Medical experimentation like i said conjures up images of Nazi's because they were done on innocent people by deranged @#$#%##. So when it comes to the death penalty, i think people view it as a penalty to be carried out humanely and quickly in a solemn session as opposed to the circus atmosphere of bloodlust that existed in Roman times all the way up to the 19th century when most executions became less barbaric and no longer public.

Personally i cannot equate the two. They are two separate issues. And with terminally ill patients, I can see them opting to try the new medications or procedures because it could save them or reduce their suffering, they are innocent people and they have their civil liberties. Condemned prisoners are not in this category.
Susan Fourtané
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7/4/2016 | 8:41:57 AM
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tjkg, 

I like your comment because it makes me think. :) Thank you. 

The fact that the death penalty has existed since the beginning of civilization is a proof of how little civilization has advanced. I see a difference between medical experimentation in inmates who are already sentenced to die for a grevious crime that have commited, which is the kind of medical experimentation I am talking about, and the medical experimentation during the Nazi era. 

In that case, I don't see any difference why people can support killing the prison in the "accepted" ways, and using that same prisoner for new drug testing and experimental treatments aimed to cure illnesses such as cancer. 

Medical experimentation on prisons took place in the US for decades. Prisoners were either paid for volunteering, or even released from the death sentence. It was in the mid-seventies that they stopped openly using inmates for medical research. 

From an ethical perspective, it is the same case you can see in hospitals with some terminal patients who choose to volunteer for experimental medical treatments for their condition. If it works, they live; if inot, they are going to die anyway. But it's a step ahead in getting to the right treatment to work on future patients.

 

-Susan  
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7/2/2016 | 4:58:02 PM
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It's like the research was carried out by special interest groups!
tjgkg
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7/2/2016 | 4:53:17 PM
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Susan, I think maybe its because the death penalty has been around and accepted since the beginning of civilization while subjecting humans to medical experiments has always been considered torture.  With the death penalty, it is a penalty administered to someone for a grevious crime. With a medical experiment, it is not a penalty but an ongoing invasive experiment on a human. On top of that, medical experimentation has always been associated with loathsome groups like the Nazi's who cared little for ethics and human life.

This is probably the best i can make of it, from a historic perspective. From an ethical perspective I cannot really comment on it with any background.
Joe Stanganelli
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6/10/2016 | 12:33:22 PM
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@hho: Thanks a lot. That makes me feel so much better.  :/  ;)
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6/7/2016 | 2:26:53 PM
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lol perhaps both
Joe Stanganelli
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6/7/2016 | 9:43:40 AM
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@hho: I used to hold my phone away from my head and talk on speakerphone when possible so as to avoid the possibility of a brain tumor.  Now I do that because it's easier and I have trouble hearing the other person when not on speakerphone.  Either the phone is getting old or I am.
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6/6/2016 | 12:26:32 PM
Re: Frequency killer
lol you're funny :)

anyway, just put the phone away from the brain, you'll be fine. If that's in-convenience, then let it be.

There is no 1 size fits all. There are always negative & positive(matter & anti-matter).
Joe Stanganelli
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6/4/2016 | 10:29:59 AM
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@hho: And have to go in for regular colonscopies?  No thanks!  :/
Susan Fourtané
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6/4/2016 | 9:47:30 AM
Re: Frequency killer
Whoopty, the Third Reich type of scenario you mentioned was very different from what I am saying. tgj... mentioned below also that even with their consent there could be legal or social issues.

Then, do you agree with the death penalty, but think that using prisoners who are already sentenced to death to test new drugs that could, for example, advance treatments or even cure cancer and other illnesses is not ethical? 

In your opinion, why would you say the death penalty is morally accepted, but, on the other hand, using murderers, serial killers, etc. for lab testing to save good people's lives would send society down to the times of Hitler? Again, I don't believe it's the right comparison, if you allow me to say.

Where do you see the logic? 

-Susan  
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