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ScottW460
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7/13/2016 | 5:21:32 PM
Robot Usage
I believe the police made the right desision under this particluar situation. It's obvious the police felt there was no way out of this without more inguries or loss of life the way they were proceeding. This time technology was used for good. I also realize this is a double edge sword that could swing in the wrong direction, i fear that imposing rules / laws for machine's like this would be the same as controlling all people good or bad that own firearms.
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7/13/2016 | 4:01:54 PM
Re: Bomb Carrying Robots
@TerryB - "Sometimes there is no solution."  Just as in math, there are situations that are unsolvable.  No matter what variable is plugged into the equation, you will always get a contradiction.  This is one of those situations - IMO.
Susan Fourtané
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7/13/2016 | 2:07:35 PM
Re: Killer Robot? Really?
tjgkg, 

<"Had he been taken alive, there was not only graphic evidence of his guilt, but also the fact thsi was premeditated so a death sentence would have certainly followed ... ">

Remember that discussion about human medical research and using inmmates with death sentences that could be used for this? If he had been taken alive, wouldn't had he been a good candidate for medical research? 

-Susan 
TerryB
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7/13/2016 | 1:27:42 PM
Re: Bomb Carrying Robots
@Susan, the gun debate is out of control over here, much of it makes no sense. They use the 2nd Amendment of our constituition to block anything. The intention of it was good, especially back then, to make sure citizens (really militias if you read it correctly) have the ability to rise up against an injust government. But that is so ludricrous these days, the government has sattelites, planes, armoured vehicles and unmanned drones. Not to mention chemical and biological weapons if they really want to get nasty. The idea of citizens with pistols and rifles going up against that is folly. No way the founding fathers could see that coming. 

So the gun lobby hangs the right to buy any kind of weapon you want on that premise. And plenty of people support that, seem to feel having a gun in their house makes their family safer in case someone breaks in. Even though, if they were responsible, the gun would locked up where they would never get to it in time anyway. At least if they have kids anyway. 

The major argument is that "if guns are illegal, only criminals will have guns". No question that major criminal groups like cartels and organized crime will have guns. By selling drugs to finance, likely these teenage gangs which plague cities will have some guns. But none of these people are the ones walking into schools or nightclubs and doing mass killings. If handguns and assault weapons were illegal, these deranged lone wolf killers would not be able to afford them. Law enforcement would still have guns, they would tackle organized crime like they always have. No private citizens owning guns are waging war with drug cartels, the mafia, or street gangs anyway. 

Terrorism brings a different argument. Gun proponents say if more people carried guns (and knew how to use them) that terrorists would be killed after killing only 5 people instead of 25 people. After Orlando shooting and talk about banning assault weapons came up, Donald Trump argued that if people in the nightclub had assault weapons also, far less would have been killed. Yeah really, let's take assault weapons out drinking and partying with us. And as far as piece of mind after a terrorist incident, is the body count really an issue? It could still be you or your kids, even if that's all the terrorist gets before someone shoots him.

That's the problem with terrorism, they have complete element of surprise and go after the softest targets they can. We really want a society where you take your assault rifle to the ballgame? To school? To church?

The debate is a joke. But gun lobby has politicians in their pocket, politicians who only care about next election. Nothing is going to change.
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7/13/2016 | 1:26:32 PM
Re: Bomb Carrying Robots

 

"...And it has been shown that these tools are used not because they are needed, but to justify their existence. Maybe if the police stopped walking around like they were going into combat and became more accessible and part of the community, there'd be more trust going back and forth between them and the people..."

 

@Banacek   Bravo !  Well said and could not agree more !

Susan Fourtané
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7/13/2016 | 1:23:46 PM
Re: Bomb Carrying Robots
tjgkg, 

I also agree it was a smart use of existing technology that helped to prevent the unnecessary loss of more lives. 

Yes, as I said before, if the technology available is used with responsibility, and if the PDs can use robots to win when fighting criminals such as this one I don't see any problem.

-Susan  
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7/13/2016 | 1:22:18 PM
Re: Bomb Carrying Robots

"...We used to be afraid someone would drop a nuclear bomb and destroy the earth. Now it's more like "should i go to the movies..."

 

@jastroff   Excellent point.  Talk about being anti-social !  At this point, it is merely self preservation.

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7/13/2016 | 1:15:01 PM
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@Susan @tjgkg    I understand your points and agree, my issue is that this has opened a "pandora's box" and these types of tactics will be used in the future for situations that do not warrant it.

Susan Fourtané
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7/13/2016 | 12:35:52 PM
Re: Bomb Carrying Robots
tjgkg, 

How right you are! I agree. This was not a terror killing. One of the scariest things is the high number of unsable people that can buy guns in the US and kill innocent people. There is no excuse for this. I believe only the governemt can change this. If not, be prepared for more frequent of these incidents.

It's a really bad thing when you go out with the uncertainty of not knowing if you are coming back alive that day. How many innocent people have died in the past six months? 

-Susan  
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7/12/2016 | 1:37:49 PM
Re: Bomb Carrying Robots
I think what the author meant by "ethical question" was the taking it one step further - that is, using AI to make the decision to pull the trigger.  Apparently the technology exists so it's only a matter of time until it's employed.
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