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Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
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ANON1242219167129
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4/8/2013 | 5:03:55 PM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
I agree that touchscreens are inherently low bandwidth interfaces, probably lower than the mouse alone, but much lower than a keyboard driven by an experienced touch typist. Until another interface with a comparable bandwidth comes along, keyboards and mice are here to stay.
Mr. Gigabob
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4/8/2013 | 5:07:51 PM
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I appreciate the arguments and am reminded of the great Philipe Khan's response to Windows when asked why he supported two versions of his superior spreadsheet Quattro-Pro - "...we have Quattro-Pro for Windows and Quattro-Pro for Cash" - referring to the DOS version.

While today's touch is a step backwards for work productivity - it will be quite a few years before a successful voice interface can be commercialized. And let's not underestimate the degree to which gesture needs to be incorporated to create advanced interaction. So the industry markets "Cool" to overlook the fact that touch is just the beginning of an interface evolution that needs a major alteration of human behavior for that interaction to advance.

I contrast this with a call from a colleague asking for insight as to why with an aging population no one is making things that were easier to understand. As a aging technophile I look with more than a little concern on the coming divide between the bulk of the asset holding population and the brainpower to move society to the next level.

For you twitters out there - "Windows 8 is not great, but there's still time to innovate."
midmachine
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4/8/2013 | 5:30:00 PM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
Well, at least it wasn't a Windows 8 bashing rant that I have seen far too much of. More of a thoughtful look at the realities of the OS I in real-world environments - nice breath of fresh air.
I agree with all of Kevin's points and in my talks with some MS people I made the same ones, Enterprise adoption of this OS (and also by "work" users) needs to be addressed with an option for a desktop only interface. I get around fine with my keyboard, I have always been one to shy away form the mouse - I find it annoying. That being said I work in graphics, spreadsheets and audio files at home and installed Win 8 upgrade while it was cheap (after testing for many months). Feature set and stability/quickness of the OS sold me. I do not have touch devices but knowing the keyboard shortcuts gets me around just fine. Setting Windows Explorer as a running task at boot drops me to the desktop immediately. Don't miss the start button, as I always used Windows key shortcuts since Win 98.
Faye Kane, homeless brain
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4/8/2013 | 9:22:51 PM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
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So when people tell how they really feel about metro, it's "a Windows 8 bashing rant", is it?

You find the mouse "annoying", do you?

"The feature set and stability/quickness of the OS" sold you, did it?

"I never used the start button anyway", you say?

"8 is the saviour!", you declare?

Dishonest, disingenuous Redmond marketing shill!

Kevin, go get the IP addresses of all the commenters who preach how wonderful 8 is and scold you for telling the truth. They'll all be from the same place.

Then publish it here. Truth may not be beauty and it certainly doesn't set you free, but it's reeeal good at humiliating liars.

--faye
wht
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4/17/2013 | 1:00:25 AM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
Sorry I clicked on liked by mistake, so make that just 1 like. Faye is way off base, I agree with Kevin and many others, don't need to look up anyones IP addresses, and I don't work for Microsoft and never have. When your head is up your butt you will never see the sunshine, Faye.
DDURBIN1
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4/11/2013 | 6:40:14 PM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
I agree with Faye. Even if you've never used XP or Win7, Window 8 still requires education to use. If you have used XP or Win7 then its a triple whammy to unlearn, relearn, and learn new particularly if you use MS Office suite on Win8. Add the higher cost of under featured hardware, Surface Pro is doomed.
wht
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4/17/2013 | 12:58:16 AM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
Learn, unlearn, learn...??? WTF are you unlearning? Not much to learn either. DDurbin1 needs some training apparently since he doesn't know what he is doing wrong.
koot
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4/8/2013 | 5:36:41 PM
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Windows 8 is great. Been using it since it's release. I'm using it on 2 desktops and am using a 23 inch touch screen on one. I don't own a smart phone, due to non camera restrictions at work. The apps are great and work well with majority of them free. Runs faster than Win 7 and runs everything I ran on XP which was a great OS considering it's age and is still being used by many corps. Each day I find new abilities with the OS. Great step forward MS. PS I'm not getting a dime for the tout. Open your mind to new and give it a try folks. You'll get to love it.
DDURBIN1
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4/11/2013 | 6:44:05 PM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
I'd really like to know how you are running native XP software that doesn't run on Vista or Win7 on a Win8 machine. Do you have a magic potion or witching chant applied to your machine?
TMagrini850
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4/8/2013 | 6:30:39 PM
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"But adaptation should be driven by productive value." That one sentence is the key to the entire article. Touch capability on smartphones and tablets was driven by productive value. The result being wide adoption of these devices in business. Whether the touch capability of Windows 8 will drive productive value remains to be seen.
AustinIT
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4/8/2013 | 8:16:49 PM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
Kevin, when are you going to get off the bash Win8 campaign? This is really getting old now. I don't see a big problem with Win8. Certainly not big enough for anyone to drone on and on about imaginary problems.

You write as if Win8's useless when it comes to touch vs. keyboard. Fact is, you have the best of both worlds that benefits whatever form factor you are running Win8 on.

If you start any Office program from the Modern interface, it then runs in desktop mode and you work with it just like you always did. But, you already know that. So why do you pick at Win8 then about a non-issue? Use a bluetooth keyboard if you need to bang out a lot of text input. btw - try running Office on an iPad...

On desktops and non-touch devices, I simply install Start8 and my customers can adjust the experience to whatever works best for them.

wht
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4/17/2013 | 12:55:29 AM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
Listen to this guy, he's got it right. I do the same thing at home and at work, and do not have touch on my laptop or desktop, but I do on a tablet.
Faye Kane, homeless brain
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4/8/2013 | 9:09:37 PM
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>" I'm shortsighted. This is the future of computing. Change is challenging. Adapt or get left behind. "

No, Kevin! You're just parroting what the MS marketing shills keep writing in your comments section because you figure you still have take Win 8 seriously.

IGNORE THEM, KEVIN.

Ballmer knows very well how horrible touch is for Word and Excel. How could he not, unless he's never used it at his desk (which may be the case)? The grotesquely unusable metro interface was put in 8 because Ballmer figures that if he forces us to use it on the desktop, we'll buy his overpriced, underperforming tablets and even worse telephones. And metro is still in 8 because the shocked systems designers knew what happens to people who tell him his idea is horrible.

Metro/touch is cynical, insulting, and the last straw in Microsoft's arrogant, backhanded dismissivness of their customers. It's unusable on the enterprise desktop computer, period. You know it. Everyone knows it. Ballmer knows it, and so do his comment shills.

So just say so. Tell the (obvious) truth and stop hedging your bets. Ballmer bet against his customers once too often, and it's time for the industry to tell him "Oooo, snake eyes! GG I'm sorry sir! Now please step back from the table. Next rollah! GG Congratulations, Mister Linux!"

-- faye kane GG girl brain
turbo2600
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4/9/2013 | 6:03:04 PM
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While I acknowledge the fact that touch cannot replace keyboards and mice, why not look at the technology in an traditional desktop environment more as a supplement to existing methods? Nice to have it when you need it, out of the way when you don't. Touch is here and here to stay - MS acknowledged that, and needed an OS that can transcend different environments and device types. It allows for apps such as Excel to be used on devices such as tablets - keep working the way you have been in a desktop environment if you need to and if that's what your comfortable and productive with.
hrlngrv
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4/9/2013 | 9:52:53 PM
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A flawed analogy: how many mainframe terminals (not terminal emulation programs running on PCs) benefit from mice? How many workplace PCs would benefit from touch screens?
Palpatine
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4/10/2013 | 8:02:04 AM
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Who does not remember history is condemned to repeat it.7
Do you remember 10-15 years ago the voice control fad? Every evangelist was swearing that in a few years no one would ever touch a PC again: no keyboard, no mouse, no touchscreen - yes they existed and was already mainstream a decade ago, get it how old is Metro "future".
Then comes back the gravity: no one was capable to do real work in a real office yelling at the PC for 8 hours/day trying to avoid interferences from cow-orkers.
Voice control NEVER replaced any other UI becoming the ULTIMATE UI as evangelists was dreaming on. It is just another very useful user interface/interaction system.
Same apply to the touch (THAT IS MUCH OLDER THAN VOICE CONTROL!): it is very useful on some devices and for some tasks (ATM, watching cat videos during leisure time), it is a poor replacement in other cases.
Betting the company in a such touch centric environment like Metro while trying to replace Windows ecosystem is the most moronic thing ever conceived by the humankind.
wht
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4/17/2013 | 12:53:00 AM
re: Windows 8 Doubt: 3 Ways Touch Won't Help
For business applications (not apps), use a mouse and keyboard, no touch needed at all. For metro, touch is preferred. You do not need a touch screen to use Win 8 for business applications! Nobody is betting their environment on touch, just fools posting countless responses that are not accurate. Win 8 works very much like Win 7 or XP in desktop mode, with new features provided by Win 8 for those that are not too lazy to learn them.
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4/19/2013 | 7:18:50 AM
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Touch is a fad, get it. W8 is dying and your Metro defense will get more embarrassing day after day.
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4/10/2013 | 11:15:26 AM
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windows 8 and the so called metro menu -- products that are seriously over-geeked


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