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IT Salaries: 8 Cold Hard Facts
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anon5734271477
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anon5734271477,
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5/28/2014 | 9:39:38 AM
Re: "Gender Gap"?
Glad you liked the link. It certainly opened my eyes.

Whatever the reason that wages have remained fairly level since the bust, that fact clearly counters the notion that there is a shortage of IT/STEM workers.
SaneIT
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SaneIT,
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5/27/2014 | 7:15:13 AM
Re: No training, no new skills?
@DDURBIN1, that is a bit of a catch 22 but I do still see individuals climbing that ladder.  I do realize that we are seeing many less techie people leading technical teams but I think like anything else that will change over time as companies realize that it takes more than people skills to drive technology.  As for the age issue I'm lucky that I don't see that yet so maybe I've made it high enough as a generalist quickly enough that I won't run into that hurdle.
Brian.Dean
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Brian.Dean,
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5/25/2014 | 8:38:08 PM
Re: "Gender Gap"?
Thanks for the link, it was a good read. I guess then, either IT professionals deliver such a high level of service in general that they will earn twice as much as the average GDP per capita for a long time to come, or maybe, post the year 2000, incoming IT professionals have numbered at a level that makes wages appear stable. 
DDURBIN1
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DDURBIN1,
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5/23/2014 | 9:38:44 AM
Re: No training, no new skills?
@SaneIT, You would think this to be true, generalization allows for better management and leadership opportunities and to a curtain extent this is true.  But here's the thing, there are fewer IT leadership positions now than 10 years ago and 10 years ago there were fewer positions than ten years prior (20 years ago) do to mergers and acquisitions.  There are fewer entities needing IT leadership each year as there is no end to mergers and acquisitions.  It's also crippling the job market in other areas too while lessening competition and reducing choice but that's another story.  In the leadership positions that are left if you don't have decades of experience in that industry you are not wanted.  To add insult to injury by the time one gets the diversity and industry experience you are at an age you are no longer desirable as there is age discrimination out there.  Add the fact that many IT leadership positions still go to non-technology individuals the CEOs or CFOs favor.  Lastly every IT leadership position has the requirement that you are already in an IT leadership position.  So how do you get an IT leadership job if everybody requires you are already in one. It is a tuff career to gain advancement. 
SaneIT
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SaneIT,
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5/23/2014 | 7:33:47 AM
Re: No training, no new skills?
If a company can afford to specialize then more power to them but then how do you manage leadership?  If you have an application guy who moves up the chain of command because he works on a very visible piece of the company's infrastructure and he's managing the security guys and the network guys but doesn't understand the nature of their work is he effective?
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shenkender,
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5/21/2014 | 4:42:42 PM
Re: "Gender Gap"?
Regardless of gender, if two people with the same background and expertise are paid differently, it is because the one with the lower salary does not know how to negotiate as good as the other. For instance you can put your gender, age, race, etc aside and get your personal salary prediction based solely on your background at salaryfairy.com or get salary ranges of your title in salary survey sites like jobstar.org. These websites show you your value in the job market without any bias so that you can go ahead an grab your manager and demand your value. Do not play the victim and take action instead.
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ChanceYouTake,
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5/21/2014 | 1:50:41 PM
Re: "Gender Gap"?
I respectfully disagree with your statement about there being a shortage of IT professionals in the U.S.

If a shortage of IT professionals existed, the salaries would have increased over time. Instead they have remained relatively flat since right after the dot-com bust.

That is just one of many indicators that prove there is no shortage of IT professionals in the U.S.

It is clearly a fabricated crisis.

http://www.epi.org/files/2013/bp359-guestworkers-high-skill-labor-market-analysis.pdf

 

 
DDURBIN1
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5/21/2014 | 10:33:31 AM
Re: No training, no new skills?
Welcome to the club.  The first and second generation IT folks, myself included, were groomed in this manner.  It was thought best to diversify and for a time that was an advantage.  Being a generalist was great back then but not now.  Just like in health care, specialization is now more desired and in most cases actually required.  Do you want a foot doctor working on your heart?  That's the way its become in many IT professionial positions.  Businesses don't want a Cicso Technican working on their CRM as the application lead.  They want a CRM professional.  As an IT "generalist" they don't want you working as either even though you may have experience in one or both.
SaneIT
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5/21/2014 | 8:01:15 AM
Re: No training, no new skills?
I see the generalists doing well in pockets.  Mid-sized companies who want a savvy IT staff that can at least direct contractors if they can't get the job done themselves.  I fall into that generalist category, I've done everything from programming to security and everything in between.  I was once offered a position at a very large company doing nothing but managing their mail system.  The money was nice but I realized that I would go insane being locked down to such a narrow focus.  On the down side my salary suffered because I went to a smaller business that couldn't match the pay.  In the end I'm happier because I love what I do and I get paid almost enough not to wonder what else is out there.
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5/21/2014 | 2:59:49 AM
Re: "Gender Gap"?
IMO, the "Gender Gap" conclusion is suspect.  It's not evident in any IT organization I've ever worked in...there were also great deal of women in supervisory positions which are the higher salaried positions.  I couldn't find any information on how the "gap" was measured.

My suspicions are around the data manipulation.  Were employee salaries just collected and analyzed based on gender?  If so, of course women will have lower salaries because many people still believe that children need to be raised by their own parents.  This results traditionally and practically in the mother taking time off to 1) give birth to the kids and 2) often raising the children until they are of school age.  This time out of the work force means that at any particular age, many women have less experience than men equal to their age.  There's nothing wrong with it - *someone* has to do the right thing with children and it's usually the mother. If men had the babies, we'd be seeing the same statistics in reverse.

In my experience, women who have the exact same background, skills, experience and competency get the exact same pay as men - especially in high tech fields.

Finally, it is interesting to note that women who have decided to take the career route and forego children resent the actions of women who take time off work to run the kids to soccer, stay home when the kids are sick or take them to the doctor, etc. These mothers who put in less work for the company, expect to progress through the ranks at the same rate as the other women who cover for them when they are not working, and are often surprised by the attitudes of the career women. 
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