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Our Definitions Of Leadership Are Mostly Wrong
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BenSimonton
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7/8/2014 | 3:02:52 PM
Re: Why are they wrong?

David,

Thanks for the thanks. As to your question "Is the reason we're not good at talking about leadership in an enterprise setting because we're too busy trying to separate management from leadership?"

For managing any resource, there are right actions and wrong actions. As concerns managing people, the only way to manage them is to lead them. People cannot be directed to be highly motivated or to have high morale. But they can he "led" to be highly motivated and have high morale. People have feelings, emotions, and needs. If you treat them with disrespect by giving them orders, not listening to them, or not giving them the information they want, those actions will "lead" them to treat their work, their customers, each other, and their bosses with the same level of disrespect.

In my previous post, I stated that leadership is simply the transmission of value standards because value standards are what the ~95% of us follow. Most of the value standards in a workplace emanate from the support or lack thereof provided by management - tools, material, training, coaching, direction, discipline, information, planning, etc.

So leadership is what dictates the performance of employees, whether they are productive, innovative, and creative or not. The possible performance gain from superior leadership is about 500%, not 5% or 50% but 500%. That was written by Stephen Covey in 1992, but my own experience as an executive bears that out.

 

David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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7/8/2014 | 12:48:39 PM
Re: Words are not enough
@SaneIT- I like the Roosevelt quote, too. But just as a rhetorical question-- does that mean the HR director is the most important leader in any company?
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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7/8/2014 | 12:47:14 PM
Re: Words are not enough
@Rich- Ha! That's a fantastic pictiure and we should use it more often in all comments. :)

But seriously, this gets to the heart of something I don't think we know the answer to. Is Putin a good leader or is he an autocrat?

Leaders get their power from a combination of skills and position and autocrats just get it from position. I think we often assume to become an autocrat in a non-royal setting, you have to have leadership skills to rise to that point. But it is entirely possible, I suppose to weild other kinds of power to get into one's position-- violence, intimidation, nepotism, luck, etc.

Business, at least, seems to be trying to divide dictating and use of raw power from leadership for more soft skills leadership-- collaboration, persuasion, etc. Is that what we should be doing or is Putin an example a CEO should take?
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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7/8/2014 | 12:42:47 PM
Re: A Leader Needs Adjectives
@lufu- that's an interesting point. I suspect Drucker would say a good leader has good followers.

But this is part of the problem with our definition of leadership, right? We're always assuming leadership means quality. Leadership implies control, not quality.

We often conflate leadership and "good leadership." This is fine, but it makes it harder for us to know what we're talking about.
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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7/8/2014 | 12:40:54 PM
Re: Why are they wrong?
Thanks, Ben. That's a really interesting response.

So this brings up an interesting issue for me. My first response was "he's not talking about leadership. He's talking about managing. He's talking about boosting productivity."

Then I realized that basically there's no other measure of leadership in business than talking about boosting production so of course the two are conflated. It isn't like you ever need to lead a team of supply chain managers into battle against the typhoon that's going to delay a shipment.

So here's my broader question- Is the reason we're not good at talking about leadership in an enterprise setting because we're too busy trying to separate management from leadership?
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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7/8/2014 | 12:33:33 PM
Re: Our Definitions Of Leadership Are Mostly Wrong
Maybe it's something we made up to pretend we have an explanation for the way we organize ourselves.


Hrm...so Zerox203, are you saying that we make up the word leader to make up for the mental guilt we have for being a follower?

Here's an interesting thing that sort of goes with that. A study came out last week that repeated some experiments done in the 60's (with some refinements) trying to determine why people collaborate with groups like the Nazis.

In the experiment, they had people demand that subjects push a button that they were told would send electrical shocks through a patient. And some were told the pateint would even die. They discovered that the people most likely to push the button (rather than refuse) were the ones who were most likely to be described as "nice" or "agreeable" in their regular lives. Those that were consider not nice, were far more liekly to refuse to hurt someone.

No one wants to draw too large a conclusion from this, but perhaps the issue of following is a bigger deal than that of leading.
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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7/8/2014 | 12:28:57 PM
Re: New age motivational thinking....
@technocrati- It is interesting you mention charisma and integrity in the same point. Are you saying charisma will disguise lack of integrity? Ar eyou saying that integrity will make up for a lack of charisma? Is integrity charismatic?

I don't think we normally link the two, but I find it very worth talking about.
SaneIT
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7/8/2014 | 7:18:54 AM
Re: Words are not enough
@Rich, I'm laughing but it's true.  He's not in the position he is because he lacks the skills to lead.  We may not agree with everything he does but even if you have no idea what he's up to politically there is no doubt who Putin is and his image is out there doing all kinds of things that make you say, "hmmm, that's actually pretty cool, I want to do that".  All that being said I did like the quote David included from Teddy Roosevelt The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.

This is how I try to lead, I pick people who are capable of doing the job then I give them the tools they need to get the job done and I manage resources and teams not individuals.  
Rich Krajewski
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Rich Krajewski,
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7/8/2014 | 1:00:54 AM
Words are not enough
"We don't have enough strong leaders. No wonder. We can't even define the term."

That is because you are looking for the definition in words. For this, we need pictures:

LUFU
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LUFU,
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7/4/2014 | 3:56:33 PM
A Leader Needs Adjectives
What Drucker leaves out are adjectives when describing a leader as someon with followers. Are they good? Are they bad? Are they inspiring? Are they clueless?

Then again, a good leader with bad followers won't succeed very easily either.
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