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Google Struggles With 'Right To Forget'
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onebhk
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onebhk,
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7/12/2014 | 2:19:31 PM
So what Google is struggling?
if someone wants to remain anonymous, so be it. If google has problem dealing with this, let them hire more. If it is ineffective, eventually laws will catchup. I am sure most users don't care to check which URL the search engine goes to, to fetch data - I mean, google.co.in or google.jp or google.uk or whatever. People are already dumb enough to put their lives online so they wouldn't bother to check for hidden information when it doesn't show-up in their country level search.
Brian.Dean
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Brian.Dean,
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7/14/2014 | 7:21:35 AM
Re: So what Google is struggling?
It is a complex situation, firstly, Google is being asked to rectify a situation that was initially created by the individual. Google does not own the internet and can't literally remove anything, but it falls on Google because they own the largest search engine in the world. Secondly, what about the second largest and third largest search engines, and so no, and what about those small search engines that can't even be audited.

In the end, this could turn into a wasted administrative paper work exercise, or the individuals might gain the censorship that they are seeking, or this might open the search engine market up to comprise of multiple players. Either way, it is an interesting development.
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ghijkmnop,
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7/14/2014 | 9:44:52 AM
Re: So what Google is struggling?
The problem may not have been created by the individual who wishes to be forgotten; it may be very well have been created without their knowledge by a jerk with a camera.
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priddseren,
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7/12/2014 | 2:47:00 PM
Rights are determined and held by each individual, including the right to not be in a search engine
This is not a struggle. No where in the concept of indivudal rights or the freedom of an indivudal is the existence of some public right to override or put on display anything about an individual. I dont know why the EU court limited it to old or false information. An indivudal should be able to tell google to keep everything about the person off their search engine. 

So what, a person went to a school, or worked there or has a facebook or a linked in. Even with a criminal record, unless the law states otherwise(as in the case of sex offendor registries) google does not have some overriding right to put anything about an invidual in its search engine, In fact no entity, government or person can grant to itself or through some ridiculous claim of public right to know(what is a public) some claim to know anything about anyone. 

Google may not be obgligated to prevent information from getting in, after all if you are on linked in your info will get caught in a search engine BUT if a person explicitely demands a search engine keep them off their systems, then the search engine should remove it and prevent further data collection. 

For that matter, it should not be limited to google or search engines. Just because facebook or linked in or google+ has my name doesnt mean those apps have some overriding right to publish my information, especially if I have determined to not publish. 

Bottom line is the entire world is caught up in this non-existent belief they have as a group the ability to alienate individuals from their rights and it is including the right to be NOT known. This will never end until people go to their governments and tell them, the government itself has NO rights, ahead of the individual and then no corproation, company, group, religion, union or any other entity has some right over the individual. Until this happens, we people will always need to defend our existence from these various parasites who believe they have authority over individuals. 
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anon6484734678,
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7/12/2014 | 4:04:24 PM
Re: Rights are determined and held by each individual, including the right to not be in a search engine
So are you going to raid all the public records and library archives for any stories associated with someone who wants to become anonymous and delete them?  Because a search engine is simply a giant electronic microfiche of public information.  No difference.  To treat it differently is to abide by a double standard.
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zaious,
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7/12/2014 | 11:57:39 PM
Re: Rights are determined and held by each individual, including the right to not be in a search engine
Just the way, one cannot simplypurge himself from all the newspapers. Once it is out there, it is out there. Any attempt to suppress it is useless. 
Brian.Dean
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Brian.Dean,
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7/14/2014 | 7:58:35 AM
Re: Rights are determined and held by each individual, including the right to not be in a search engine
You have raised some very good points. I feel the question becomes related to individual rights vs. collaborative gains. On the one hand, individuals have a right to make decisions that they feel are best, if individual rights are not protected then progress will never take place, in a society or economic region. Collaborative and collective right are also important, without it, no form of networking and building economies of scale can be established because, without information sharing (good or bad) -- a common understanding cannot be gained.

Google and LinkedIn is a good example here, individuals choose to publish a part of their activities in order to network with individuals with similar interests, and maybe the goal is to gain a link to a specialized network. The individual has the option to limit their public presences but, the key point is that execution is taking place at LinkedIn's end, not Google's end. 
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Sontoutbon,
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7/12/2014 | 7:24:51 PM
Google a hypocrite???
Yet Google quickly and neatly hides it's own junk...why are there less search results for the murdered Google exec on Google? Why is it not news on Facebook anymore either? (Is there collusion going on?) Google are you choosing to deliberately cover up your own negative drama? A bit hypocritical no?
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7/13/2014 | 6:29:56 PM
good idea but...

While this is a good idea I don't believe it is possible. What good is it if your results are omitted from the European search sites but no others?

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7/14/2014 | 7:27:01 PM
Private citizens have part of their exist in public sphere
Individual rights are not absolute, as the best thinkers on the rights of man have explored again and again. With rights come responsibilities, and in democracies we have the responsibility to spend part of life in the public sphere as a citizen, with events like births, deaths, marriage and property purchases part of the public record. The Europlean Union Court did not offer any description of how the right to remain private was to be separated from the obligation of being a democratic citizen. It's decision is only selectively enforceable.


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