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Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
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ANON1237384778315
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ANON1237384778315,
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9/3/2012 | 5:15:13 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
I never thought outsourcing was "bad" or "evil," even offshore outsourcing. What I believe is harmful is the mentality that says, "If some outsourcing is good then more is better." Even if outsourcing may be cheaper, it may not be better. Apple, for example, manufactures its iphones overseas, but designs them at home. Mindless outsourcing can play havoc with your quality control and ultimately control of your business.
chuck_w
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9/3/2012 | 4:27:02 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
You believe he would. You do NOT know. The man apparently had had some insight into what made a successful business. Apparently that wasn't a mentality that said we should pay the least amount we can to our employees, outsource their jobs to low cost/low qualty destinatiions, and reward upper management with untold millions while we're doing it. I'd ike to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he'd look for innovative ways to save money while not putting the screws to his employees and yea, to his country.

Corporate America, in general, is broken, and outsourcing/offshoring our technology jobs to destinations that do a LOUSY job of fulfilling the task is just one component of that.

I'm curious, do you also believe that these individuals - and I don't care what country they're in - care anywhere NEAR as much about your business succeeding as your own employees do?
chuck_w
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9/3/2012 | 4:07:21 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
What? Same quality? Apparently, you do NOT work in outsourcing and/or offshoring, do you? I do. Where did you come up with the "same quality" argument? Did you read it? Or did you experience it? If you experienced it, I'd like to know which organization you're working for.

I'm speaking solely about IT outsourcing/offshoring here --

While my colleagues from other countries that I've worked with HERE have done an OUTSTANDING job, the ones I've dealt with outside of this country have NOT - it's that simple. It's not a blanket statement. There was one I spent a good deal of time training and she did a great job. So great, she got a promotion off to another account. In essence, people are hired with no IT skills to do IT related work. Sure, we'll train you. Guess what? It doesn't work.

Please, I'd like to know your source - I'm serious. Is it what you've read from the penny pinching CIOs and CFOs that are NOT on the front lines, or are you just trying to stick up for your colleague?
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9/3/2012 | 4:05:43 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
Outsourcing may not be evil but offshoring is. Not only that, it should be illegal. Public companies that use public capital do NOT have the legal rights to offshore public capital or resources in a democracy.

None of this matters because outsourcing is going to collapse in coming years. It is a manifestation of the growth of massive, unmanageable corporations that is a result of the M&A boom. That was a criminal racket perpetuated by bankers and a tax code that encouraged corporations to take on debt to buy other companies.

The party is over. The author is still in the matrix. All in due time. These massive Humpty Dumpty corporations are headed for collapse.
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9/3/2012 | 3:24:28 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
Yes, outsourcing is evil. In my experience it has led to less customer satisfaction (both inside and outside customers) and a general reduction in quality customer service. I have worked at 5 organizations (Fortune 100 no less) where outsourcing was done or being done. The fundamental business cultures of the firms were actually at odds with where they decided to outsource certain services. I have witnessed a loss of talent and by the time the firm realizes their mistake - the institutional and business knowledge is no longer in the organization and they are in a deeper hole than when they started!

What burns me more is that they say this is done to 'increase shareholder value...' or some such nonsense. I, through my IRA or 401K, am now a shareholder in some of these organizations. They are not increasing value when these decisions are made...they are only lining the pockets of management. Most 'drones' don't think this way...but I do.

Finance/MBA types are making decisions based on a narrow set of criteria that are not to benefit anyone but them. It is about making money in the next 30 days...the future be damned. It is not what money have you made for the company this quarter or this year or even lately...some firms it is how much did you make or save yesterday and if the answer does not meet some artificial short term criteria - you are out the door.

It is offensive on so many levels...
dbell947
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8/30/2012 | 10:18:32 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
Hear hear!! I certainly hope you are right. I live in the SF Bay Area, and our new "earthquake proof" Bay Bridge was made entirely in China during the middle of the Great Recession. So all those millions of taxpayer dollars were taken OUT of domestic circulation, and sent on a one-way trip to China. Gee, you would have thought that during a recession it would have been handy to hire local unemployed workers, and get the benefits of all that money being circulated in our economy. Of course our politicians had a different idea. BTW: the quality of the welds is becoming a bit of a concern as well as the quality of the steel itself. Oh well, we save a bundle didn't we? What's a collapsing bridge among friends?
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8/13/2012 | 7:22:01 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
Rich Marcello part of the gang of failed H.P. execs that ransacked Unisys was booted out of the plane with his golden parachute in under three years.
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8/13/2012 | 5:16:32 PM
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I agree. And the main reason why congress nods is that people like Boehner hand out bribe checks right on the house floor. Yet, a good number if not even a majority agrees apparently with such practices, because these individuals get elected back into office. It is incredible that the right-wing Reps and their even more extreme tea bagger friends get any votes. But they have a good scapegoat to blame it all on.
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8/8/2012 | 7:46:36 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
I agree though I would go a little further. I think many of the people that confuse them do so intentionally to try to justify offshoring by equating it with outsourcing. Whether this author was trying to cause confusion that or was just all mixed up I can't be sure however I would guess the former was the truth.
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8/7/2012 | 4:59:23 PM
re: Sorry, But Outsourcing Isn't Evil
We agree government vs. private production is a case-by-case situation. The only objective is to maintain (1) maximum effectiveness for tax dollars and (2) appropriate levels of control to foster and protect the public interest.
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That is an issue of accountability and transparency. In many instances, a private contractor has resisted efforts to provide appropriate transparency, claiming market damage from such disclosure. In only a few, usually well-publicized instances, a government agency has resisted such scrutiny.
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But the current "privatization" rationale is perhaps intentionally misleading. By no small coincidence, rampant corruption by private contractors during the term of G.W. Bush demonstrated privatization meant anything but the public interest. Likewise, too many congressmen have been content to wink and nod as private contractors (under their somnolent oversight) got away with robbing the taxpayer.
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