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H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
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SpaceVegetable
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4/30/2013 | 5:40:15 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
There is a shortage of experienced software engineers, judging by the recruiter activity and the pay rates I'm seeing. I haven't seen demand like this since 1999. As for H1B's, they are not that skilled, IMHO. One place I worked purposely kept their code dumbed down and simplistic so they could hire cheap H1B's to maintain it. Don't forget that a lot of people left the software field after the dot-com bust and now there's a gap of people with that level of experience. Works great for me since I can fill that gap, but there's not enough of us to go around. That said, I oppose increasing H1B caps any more. I'd rather see newbies and others trained. Unfortunately, nowadays we are all commodities and need to see to training and maintaining skills on our own. That's the down side of global markets.
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4/14/2013 | 4:28:45 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
You talk of offshoring and outsourcing, but the 65,000 H1-B entrants are but a drop in the ocean of the labor force in the outsourced countries. It may not always hold true, but of the IT workers in the H1-B pool, they are probably significantly above the mean skill level of your average outsourced worker.

So it's quite an invalid comparison.
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4/14/2013 | 4:25:22 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
Hi Not.Disgruntled,

Your anecdote piqued my interest, so I'll just pipe in for a bit.

I hope when you mention, "ic *tester* experience", you don't mean production IC tester systems like Teradyne's Catalyst etc.

If you do, then I'm afraid all the experience you mention above that you put into your CV is simply irrelevant, as IC tester experience in this case is a highly specialized skill, which if you would like to pick up, would require you to go for an entry-level job. This is true for anyone, foreign or local.

If you were gunning for a mid-level IC tester job without any experience with those massive testing machines, then I am not surprised that on-the-job training was not offered.
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4/4/2013 | 8:37:13 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
There is a skills shortage. Just because you gave yourself a fancy title, doesn't mean you know your stuff. And just because you have some skills, it doesn't mean they are skills anyone needs or wants or cares for. ALL my coworkers, esp. the US workers, get calls from several recruiters every week esp. these past few months. Companies are poaching right now from other companies. The reason why many aren't leaving our company is because right now they've finally paid a salary that no one else can beat. They aren't "young" either and they aren't getting paid low wages either ( 100K+ atleast). If you aren't getting calls, it is because you just don't have what anyone wants or needs. I did some fancy stuff in college too, but no one needs those skills either so I'm definitely not working in that field. Some companies do invest in training. Actually many do. But it depends on whether or not you are trainable. Quit lying to yourself. You need a reality check more than anything. My friend is a USC and he has a music degree and I've seen him being able to do computers better than most. he just started his computer job and makes more than his friends who have worked 10 years. It's because he can pick up things real quick. You can blame all the H1Bs you want, but if you are too slow to pick up concepts, even when they ban H1Bs and ship all of them back, you'll still never find a job because you just don't have what it takes to be trainable.
GoldenIndira
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4/4/2013 | 8:13:29 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
Not all of the 3 people who graduate are employable, not in terms of wages but quality. I've interviewed people with CS degrees who don't know what a factorial is or understand recursion. Not all of the 3 people graduating are in fields that have a high demand. Nuclear Engineers have a high demand. Yet not many grads have degrees in nuclear engineering. Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are good at what you got a degree in.
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4/4/2013 | 7:55:34 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
They teach about the human body in grade school too. That doesn't make becoming a doctor an assembly line trade. They teach music in grade school too, that doesn't make singing into assembly line trade either. Teaching kids in grade school about programming allows them to pick new programming languages quickly as they get older. It means by the time they are teens their fundamentals are very clear. Which means that if a job needs C# it wont take him 3 months to get the hang of it, but 3 days.
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4/4/2013 | 7:37:20 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
And even if you can train them, how many will become quality engineers? Coding isn't simply putting words together, it is the ability to think too. It is not an assembly line job. The unemployment rate is 4.5 in IT and engineering. 1.6 for Nuclear Engineers. Go for nuclear engineering if you can't find a job in IT. Not all 40 million people will be able to code or work in IT. Most of them are construction workers or telemarketers or boiler maintenance guys who can't find work. Didn't the superior American education teach one to be able to discern these facts?
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4/4/2013 | 7:25:22 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
The comparison between financial analysts and Lawyers to software engineers was faulty to say the least. How about comparing Engineers to other Engineers? Most financial analysts have MBAs and Lawyers a law degree. They are known as professional degrees and market values determine that most usually can expect to get more than a 100K as starting salary. Which is why both these degrees are expensive. Engineering degrees are not. The market for engineers is different from Lawyers not just because of the H1B. It's because getting an engineering undergrad is as expensive as getting an Arts undergrad, while a law or mba costs more.
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3/13/2013 | 7:00:56 AM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
I am assuming that you are talking about a citizen (ex) of India and not a native american here. For your information, Indian citizens are not eligible to participate in the Diversity Visa Lottery. You got punked!
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3/11/2013 | 4:34:15 PM
re: H-1B Workers Not Best Or Brightest, Study Says
Coding is a universal language and American's are not even "the best & the brightest" in their own language. Catch my drift? I.T. in general is a skill.

Steve Jobs was of Arab descent. Bill Gates is of Scottish descent. Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish. Why did these people succeed in America? ItG«÷s because they got a hold of computers at a much earlier age than the rest of the world. Americans has more access to tools, resources and funds but that is no longer the case today.

When we say superior or inferior talent are we referring to a personG«÷s nationality or the personG«÷s genes?

Then Logic and Genealogy would dictate that pure American blood is not superior.

Therefore, the statement or theory that G«£AmericanG«• I.T. are of superior talent in the field over their foreign counterparts in the industry is really baseless and the salary factor is not even a reliable barometer. The only thing that the salary measure is labor exploitation.

Talent and Intelligence knows no race, PERIOD!
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