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7 InfoSec Predictions For 2014: Good, Bad & Ugly
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RobPreston
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RobPreston,
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1/9/2014 | 2:42:23 PM
Re: An XP -iration solution for those who cannot afford to upgrade
TerryB, you da man. Thanks for your informed comments.
TerryB
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TerryB,
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1/9/2014 | 1:27:33 PM
Re: An XP -iration solution for those who cannot afford to upgrade
Actually no. I do real IT work, been developing applications and supporting ERP systems on IBM mainframes and midrange AS400/i5 server since 1985, before desktops and internet were useful. I studied UNIX in college, actually wrote an o/s for the DEC PDP/11 for a college class. I now use Sencha Ext JS to write web applications, still using the i5 has backend server. I'm the sole developer for a Mfg company that sells globally, revenue exceeding $30 million a year.

To me, both Linux and Windows are kiddie toys. I tolerate them to run email clients and web browsers. I'm just smart enough to know they both (being script processing computers) can both be infected with malware. You obviously haven't figured that out yet and probably never will.
IT-security-gladiator
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IT-security-gladiator,
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1/9/2014 | 10:53:41 AM
Re: An XP -iration solution for those who cannot afford to upgrade
Like I said you are ignorant and are just running your normal lies and FUD. Just a Microsoft Shill.

 
TerryB
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TerryB,
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1/9/2014 | 10:22:44 AM
Re: An XP -iration solution for those who cannot afford to upgrade
You just can't fix stupid. I've used Windows personally since the 1990's and never had a virus either. So what the heck does that mean? Very few people write malware for Linux, so it has way less probability of infection than Windows. Linux runs script (source, not compiled) based programs like Windows does, which means it can get infected just as easily as Windows if someone targeted Linux. If you don't understand that, you are in the wrong job.

I've seen you post twice in InfoWeek forums, both times running your mouth about this stupid RoboLinux no one ever heard of. Do you work for them or something? When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. That's you and RoboLinux.

That fact anyone needs someone like you to install Linux desktops for them is the reason Linux will never overcome Windows in consumer market. Our business doesn't need anyone like you and never will.
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IT-security-gladiator,
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1/9/2014 | 9:48:12 AM
Re: An XP -iration solution for those who cannot afford to upgrade
Since 2002 I have installed thousands of Linux Desktops and not one person has ever gotten a virus.

You apparently don't have any experience with Linux because if you did, you would know why it is more secure than Windows. Which brings up a very important point. I use Robolinux to surf and download stuff and all of my Windows data is inside Robolinux so no keylogger Windows malware can infect it.

I use the Windows XP VM just for a few apps that do not run natively on Linux. None of those apps use the Internet so how are they going to get infected?

Lastly the Robolinux VM backup and restore is not a restore point it is the entire XP OS plus updates Further since the Windows data is on the Linux partition then it is indeed not a restore point.

You might want to learn a bit before you go off half cocked and pretend you know everything.
TerryB
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TerryB,
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1/8/2014 | 1:58:52 PM
Re: An XP -iration solution for those who cannot afford to upgrade
Dude, as these guys are trying to tell you, you are missing point completely. Linux itself is not above malware infection. And even though you can restore your Windows back to a checkpoint if infected, what good does that do if a keystroke logger already got your bank user id and password and sent back to a command and control server?

If you run Windows XP at a business to run software for your business, and it is not used for email or web browsing or directly connected to internet (sits behind proxy on a non routable network), you can run forever without a sandbox with almost zero risk of problem. I can't say zero because of network or USB based worms but you would have an extremely limited attack surface.

We are going to have to do that for some special machines that run things like tensile testing software for our lab. The update of testing software for Win 7 is in the $40K range, which is ridiculous to accomplish same business purpose. Things like that will be reason XP will be around for quite awhile, regardless of MS support plans.
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1/8/2014 | 11:47:07 AM
Re: XP And Security
DDurbin1...you raise a good point, although one that I think lumps two disparate items into one:hardware and software. 

If I focus just on PCs for a moment, ignoring at my own peril all of the devices that may have XP "imbedded" in them, I choose to view a PC as a hardware device that runs software, including an OS.  In that view, I expect to perform updates on the software to keep it current, as long as the hardware continues to work and meets my needs.  The challenge becomes when we have the occaisions where a key peice of software is no longer supported and unfortunatley since its the OS it's one that matters from a vulnerability perspestive.

If I chose to view my PC like I do my toaster or microwave, I would agree 100% that you use it until it no longer functions (or you remodel the kitchen and need matching appliances!).

I personally feel like this is a no win situation for MS...they either stayed with XP and any inherent limitations it included or they moved forward with new OS versions that offered new features and functions.  Since they chose the latter, at some point it's no longer cost effective to continue supporting the old standard.

Now regarding that 55 Chevy...that is indeed a classic.  :-)
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DDURBIN1,
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1/8/2014 | 11:15:20 AM
Re: XP And Security
Brian, everything you say is true but I use XP machines everyday along with 600 million others.  They still do the job they were intended  with absolutely no advantage in migrating their tasks to Win7/Win8.  The infrastructure to support Win7/8 also supports XP.  The need to replace these boxes is when the hardware fails not becuase of the OS.  XP is kind of like a 55 Chevy, a classic that no one gets tired of seeing except Microsoft.
Brian45242
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1/8/2014 | 10:31:12 AM
Re: XP And Security
So how long would you require Microsoft to continue supporting XP?  And when the cost of continuing to support and patch that OS impact their ability to release new products, what would you say then?

Certainly the impending "end of life" for XP is getting a lot of attention these days, but lets be honest here...every major software vendor release products, and then replaces them with new release, versions or entirely new products.  None of them that I can think of (IBM, Oracle, Adobe to name a few) continue to support the old versions forever.  So companies (and individuals) do what we always do: that is look at the options, the costs of the options and compare that to the risk of doing nothing.  In many cases doing nothing is an acceptible choice...at least in the short term, BUT there almost always comes a day to pay the price for that decision.  For those that have stayed with XP even as three subsequent (MS based) OS' have been released, that time is drawing near.
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DDURBIN1,
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1/7/2014 | 10:22:10 AM
Re: XP And Security

Microsoft has become its own enemy.  Years ago IBM was the inflexible arrogant bureaucratic technology giant that pretty much didn't care what customers thought of its business tactics.  Now Microsoft has taken over that roll.  The only thing that makes a difference is the impact on the bottom line.  Microsoft believes forcing XP usage out of the market is to their bottom line advantage.  I'm betting nothing will change at MS until its too late.  I predict many XP users will migrate to non-windows products.  Its kind of like the days of when Ford and GM didn't care about their customer experience but expected Americans to continue buying from them which they didn't.  Now Ford an GM own less the 50% of the American auto market when they once owned 91%.  I see Apple and Google eating MS for lunch.

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