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Cloudera Trash Talks With Enterprise Data Hub Release
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David F. Carr
David F. Carr,
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2/3/2014 | 4:06:17 PM
Re: Linux parallel
To what extent is the competition helping vs. hurting the advance of the core open source Hadoop technology?
D. Henschen
D. Henschen,
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2/3/2014 | 3:47:23 PM
Re: Linux parallel
I do see most NoSQL, many NewSQL and some conventional relational database vendors following the open source model. In these cases it's one vendor trying to use open source to promote their own DBMS, so it doesn't really follow the Red Hat/SuSe model. In the Hadoop arena, Cloudera and Hortonworks have squared off as the primary promoters of the platform and they're both trying to lower the skills/barriers to entry with different flavors and approaches to the same platform. That's probably closer to what has happened with Red Hat and SuSe, though I'm no expert on Linux history and development.

Lorna Garey
Lorna Garey,
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2/3/2014 | 3:24:12 PM
Linux parallel
Doug, Do you see enterprise adoption of open source databases following the same arc as Linux as a server OS? Essentially, early adopers were those with specialized expertise, then Red Hat and SuSe stepped in with services that lowered the skills barrier to entry?
D. Henschen
D. Henschen,
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2/3/2014 | 1:17:35 PM
Response by Hortonworks
Here are at-length responses to Cloudera's assertions supplied by Shaun Connolly, VP of Corporate Strategy at Hortonworks.

While I appreciate Cloudera's data hub vision, their desire to compete with the likes of IBM will only expose the fact that they mostly have a spoke versus their one-hub-to-rule-them-all marketing aspirations. At Hortonworks, we've been pretty consistent that Hadoop has a clear role in a modern data architecture ( where integrating with existing data center technologies and enabling customers to leverage existing skills is a key part of our focus.

Since our model is 100% open source, we describe our roadmap for enterprise Hadoop publicly in the Labs section of our website: If you look at the Security for Enterprise page (, you will see that there is no one single technology that magically adds security to Hadoop. This page describes the Authentication, Authorization, Accounting/Audit, and Data Protection capabilities that exist today as well as where the ongoing Security-related work that is happening in 2014.

As far as Cloudera's claim that Stinger has not shipped, I'd say that they are in denial on just how far Apache Hive has come. This is represented by the fact that CDH 4.5 continues to ship with a version of Hive (version 0.10) that is before all of the Stinger work (Hive is currently at version 0.12 and headed to version 0.13 shortly). Again, if you look at our Labs page for Stinger, you will see that Apache Hive has had multiple generally available releases in 2013 and is working its way towards yet another release here in Q1-2014.

Moreover, our partner Microsoft provided a guest blog post covering some innovative technical details of the Stinger Initiative:

Finally, as it relates to Dataset Management and Governance, again I recommend you take a look at out Labs page devoted to Data Management:

There is much progress that has been made in Apache Falcon and other areas of the enterprise Hadoop platform that address this area. Last December, we released a technology preview of these capabilities as they come in for a landing over the course of Q1-2014.

Bottom-line: while Cloudera tries to differentiate with a proprietary approach, the open source community momentum and delivery of enterprise-relevant capabilities only speeds up further.

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