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12/28/2011 | 12:37:39 AM
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What back-end technologies? MS SQL, Windows Server, and the like? They are toys. No respectable company uses them for anything resembling mission critical. That is the domain of IBM and Oracle.

Microsoft is chasing the market, not leading it any longer. What OEM, short of one being paid billions by MS to subsidize their OS profit taking, would want to get in bed with MS on mobile or tablets? Even if MS succeeds with Win 8, that OEM (be it HP, Dell, HTC, Samsung) will be doing all the work to ship all the profits to Microsoft. The same failing business model as PCs, failing for everyone except Microsoft.
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12/27/2011 | 10:09:12 PM
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It is a non-sequiter to compare Silverlight to Javascript. Silverlight is a user-presentation/development/component environment, whereas Javascript is just a scripting language that uses a subset of java syntax and primitives. The most significant aspects of Silverlight, which actually eclipse it, are WPF and .NET, along with the associated huge wealth of development facilities, tools, and languages.

The merging of Javascript and HTML5 still does not directly correspond to the Silverlight/WPF/.NET environment. The issue here is: how much power is in the hands of app developers, how much knowledge, time, and money will it take to use that power, and what is the financial result? Although Microsoft's deprecation of Silverlight in its marketing hype is quite obvious, it is not deprecating its underlying power -- WPF and .NET. HTML5 and Javascript are only upper-level layers.
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12/27/2011 | 10:00:53 PM
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I would agree with most of the points, except for #'s 2 and 6.

2. Still no tablets
MSFT has apparently learned from various past, huge mistakes it made in entering new markets. In the phone arena, it's pushing not only an OS over which it has control (as it did with the previous Windows phone failure), but it's also pushing a new user interface (Metro), which is not only well suited to portable devices but also has the advantage of being both distinctively different and in some cases is a simpler, more consistent, and easier UX than its competitors. That being said, MSFT is leveraging its growing experience with Metro, along with its solid Windows base, to have an OS/UX combination for tablets that has the potential to be broadly competitive. And let's not forget the huge reservoir of Microsoft-experienced developers out there who will follow the path of least resistance when selecting an OS platform and development tools for portable apps, which is the MSFT set. All of these factors say that Microsoft is right to wait, especially since the tablet market is still very, very young, relatively speaking.

6. Billions To Nokia
Neither this nor the linked article established any facts that show Microsoft is outright paying billions to Nokia in their OEM arrangement. The facts of the linked article even more strongly suggest otherwise. Regardless, Nokia's world presence and support structure is not to be sneezed at, to say the least. Microsoft has executed a coup in their deal with Nokia, which I believe gives them a leg up in both the emerging smartphone market and in the tablet market as well.
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12/27/2011 | 8:38:35 PM
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Like the comment about the great salesman and internal turf battles. However, I think that XBox is really showing up the other divisions and making shareholders really question what's going on in the rest of MS.
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12/27/2011 | 8:33:16 PM
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I think it is quite clear that Silverlight will be in Microsoft's eye for as long as the Market is still interested in it and it can compete with javascript. I know silverlight is a superior product but so many more people know javascript ... getting a few silverlight developers to jump on the javascript bandwagon is allot less expensive than getting the entire web to jump onto silverlight. They HAD to cater to the javascript crowd or face alienating them. But I think as long as their are people out there that prefer a superior product, you will always find silverlight out there.
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12/27/2011 | 8:27:30 PM
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The Vista debacle is a case in point as to why I think it is good for MS to hold off on a tablet until they actually get it right. As for someone who has already used the Windows 8, it's lighter and faster than 7 and it will be able to run on mobile devices.

I don't think Microsoft is on the defensive. The last 8 years or so they have been working on their backend technologies. They are miles ahead of anyone else on this. The synergy at Microsoft is turning into a powerful force and the coupling of XBox, windows 8, and windows 7.5 mobile are going to be hard to compete with.
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12/27/2011 | 8:15:34 PM
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Microsoft didn't release a tablet (Smart!!).

I have to say that I am happy Microsoft is shaping up. As a person who has been disappointed with MS mobile products in the past ... I think it is good that they are finally waiting until they have a really GOOD product before just rushing something to market. I think that windows mobile/PocketPC versions 1 .. 6 were a complete waste of time. If they aren't going to put out a killer tablet ... then don't put out a tablet at all. All it does is hurt their already wounded branding.

With that being said. WP mango is the best mobile OS to date. It took them a while but they finally got it!!! Good job Microsoft!!. Take your time and do it right for the tablet as well!!!!
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12/27/2011 | 5:26:32 PM
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Dropping the ball on Silverlight seems dumb to me. At the very least, MSFT has failed to be clear about the future of Silverlight. Will SL live on only in Windows Phone? Or is its path forward mainly relegated to Metro's XAML dev flavor? Or (as many cogniscenti claim) has MSFT shuffled SL onto its oft-used dark conveyer belt to oblivion?

Bottom line: developers who were seduced by the Silverlight vision pushed by MSFT now find themselves with many questions and no clear answers. The really dumb part is that SL has been a major success and had potential to be the biggest advantage of Windows-based tablets.
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12/27/2011 | 4:37:39 PM
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The whole tablet thing points up a generic problem -- too slow. In tech land, a year to come out with a new product is about right, 18 months is risking your market. Windows 8 / Touch technology will be three years if it makes what it considers an aggressive commercialization schedule. The iPhone, which cemented touch and gesturing to even the toughest critic, was more than four years ago! How much arrogance does it take to not understand a sea change when it is in your face?

Microsoft has billions of R&D dollars -- a tiny fraction of that in the right hands in Redmond would have put them equal with the pack. Instead, their internecine battles over turf cost them hundreds of billions and an entire market -- how could mighty Microsoft utterly lose to an implementation of Linux by a browser company (Android)? OK, they get the cloud is somehow important, that HTML5 / JavaScript has a future to VS, but that mobile OS boo boo had better be a gigantic wake-up call. Maybe a giant tech company needs a certifiably crazy techie as head dictator rather than a great salesman.
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12/27/2011 | 4:33:14 PM
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I hate Microsoft. Their culture is one of arrogance, power-plays, poor performance and squeezing the customers, suppliers, as much as they can. They started that way and have not changed. Windows is still on top, but there has been a shift. They know it too. Microsoft is on the defensive now, and their era will be soon over. People are moving away from them because of the bad taste of dealing with the company, as well as their products. In response the poster below- The Vista debacle is an example of Microsoft trying to steamroll, lie to, obfuscate- do everything except forthrightly apologize, improve the product and move on. Their customer service is the worst of any company in the field, and I for one will celebrate, when other competitors move up and take their place in all areas.
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