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Broadway0474
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Broadway0474,
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9/15/2015 | 10:56:05 PM
Re: The future internet
Here I was thinking that whatever happens on the Internet never leaves the Internet, and now we learn that whole reams of data today will soon be inaccessible in 10 years. While I agree that a vast majority of it won't be missed, just like a vast majority of paper letters from past centuries are not missed as they moldered into dust. The important people --- who want to be remembered by history, like Lincoln's cabinet --- will make sure their digital notes are retained and available for as long as eternity will allow. 
SaneIT
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9/14/2015 | 8:18:52 AM
Re: The future internet
Sorry, that may be his intent but I tend to see public addresses like this as a tactic to rally the troops.  If he really is looking for dialogue regarding then more power to him and I hope he finds a really good group that can talk this out without selfish influence.  Honestly I think we could use a little bit of a digital dark age, there are a lot of things on the web that could go away and we would be better off by not using the resources in use to keep it on life support.
fkodama
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9/13/2015 | 11:41:01 PM
Re: History and Forecast
Couple a days ago, I was infected by some nasty piece of software, it reachs the bios. When I plugged the backup level1 it trashed the second HD. There is a lot of procedures to curate old things an a entire field of Electronic History is borning. It demands pieces of hardware like ASICdevices to clone storage before using it, to guarantee not losing the architecture.

Now talking about future, I guess Matrix will not be a revolution, it will be a 'smooth' transition that would happens while each new technology spreads over the globe. I'm afraid of crazy politics, that represents major economic and minor amount of people not being aware of what button they are pushing.

In somehow, we are living now the Einstein 'between past frame and future frame' deterministic but still with self awereness of free will cause ipfs is not spread and we can get a partial and at same time global, static view of entire situation, when it becomes quantum, this self awareness will be lost, not because this or that, because analisys is just that, analisys, world keep running.
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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9/11/2015 | 11:56:19 AM
Re: The future internet
@SaneIT- Well, he's worried about more than the Digital Dark Ages. i think he is just hoping to open a wider dialogue on what we should and can do with this thing.
SaneIT
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9/11/2015 | 8:19:42 AM
Re: The future internet
It sounds more like Vint Cerf should be looking for internet curators then rather than shaping the "new" internet.  No matter how well planned selective data preservation is, someone is going to claim it is completely wrong, history being written by the winners and all.   I don't think we need to preserve every news story, every tiny event, etc. but we should be taking snapshots of relevant sites and trends more from a tracking than a shaping standpoint.  What I would fear is attempts to shape as they are determining what needs to be saved. 
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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9/10/2015 | 7:45:35 PM
Re: The future internet
@SaneIT- You are right to a certian extent. We're not all that worried about saving a hundred years of lost phone calls. there are many things we shouldn't be worried about saving from our current time. That said, I think Cerf's comment about "accidental" preservation is very on point. We don't want to rely on just what gets randomly saved. We need to make smart choices. Technology could allow us to make those choices.
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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9/10/2015 | 7:42:41 PM
Re: Lost in time
@Tom- While i support Cerf's general plan, I'm sort of OK with it. If we leave behind too much, historians won't be able to read it all or make sense of it anyway. Letting a little slip away is natural and human and almost romantic. Frankly, I'm OK if everything i ever said on Facebook disappears. :)
David Wagner
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David Wagner,
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9/10/2015 | 7:39:03 PM
Re: Yes, write letters (Lincoln did.)
@Charlie- Lincoln's Gettysburg address was very short for a political speech of the day. Maybe Lincoln would have also been the master of Twitter. :)
Charlie Babcock
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9/10/2015 | 6:37:21 PM
Yes, write letters (Lincoln did.)
In "The Fiery Trial," historian Eric Foner describes how Lincoln wrote letters to the American people during the trying years of the Civil War, outlining his views on the Union and what to do about the slaves freed by Union armies and those still in thrall to their Southern masters. These letters were among his main public utterances and were the source of constant newspaper editorials and tavern debates. His thinking evolved step by step in these letters as the war progressed, as did that of the Union as a whole. Who knows where we would be today if he only used email or issued Tweets.

 
Thomas Claburn
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9/10/2015 | 5:01:42 PM
Lost in time
In Blade Runner, Roy Batty's musing on mortality sums up the fate of our electronic conversations: "All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."

Cerf is right that we should do more to preseve our digital past. But so much will disappear anyway.
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